Zugzwang Mate?

I know this is inaccurate, horrendous chess, but holy moly games at my level are insane fun
:D

Cool, but how is this zugzwang?

@AsDaGo said in #2:

Cool, but how is this zugzwang?

White loses queen (they also need to dodge all checkmate threats)

@chess_enjoyer00 said in #3:

White loses queen (they also need to dodge all checkmate threats)

I know. I still don't see how it's zugzwang though.

@AsDaGo said in #4:

I know. I still don't see how it's zugzwang though.
Zugzwang is a position where every move is bad. In this position, every single move of his opponent hangs a queen or a checkmate. Therefore it is a zugzwang.

Just FYI, this is not zugzwang. For zugzwang, it's required that the player in zugzwang could avoid losing if they had the ability to pass their turn, but they lose since they're forced to make a move. That's why you only really see this in deep endgames.

In this position, if white passes, they get mated anyways - this is just a forced checkmate where white has a few moves but all of them lose.

@chess_enjoyer00 said in #5:

Zugzwang is a position where every move is bad. In this position, every single move of his opponent hangs a queen or a checkmate. Therefore it is a zugzwang.

You seem to be defining a bad move as a move that results in a losing position. In that case, every position that is already losing (like this one) would be zugzwang. See #3 where @crtex gives a good explanation of zugzwang.

By the way, true zugzwang mates are not uncommon, because KRvK cannot be won if the losing side can pass the turn. Consider this position, for example: https://lichess.org/analysis/6k1/8/6K1/8/8/8/5R2/8_b_-_-_0_1?color=white How does White win if Black is allowed to pass?

@AsDaGo said in #7:

You seem to be defining a bad move as a move that results in a losing position. In that case, every position that is already losing (like this one) would be zugzwang. See #3 where @crtex gives a good explanation of zugzwang.

From Wikipedia:

Zugzwang (from German 'compulsion to move'; pronounced [ˈtsuːktsvaŋ]) is a situation found in chess and other turn-based games wherein one player is put at a disadvantage because of their obligation to make a move; a player is said to be "in zugzwang" when any legal move will worsen their position.
Although the term is used less precisely in games such as chess, it is used specifically in combinatorial game theory to denote a move that directly changes the outcome of the game from a win to a loss.

Please read last sentence carefully, it says that term (zugzwang) is not used precisely in chess.
The word "weight" is also not used precisely in life, and no one will say to you "Hmmmm, it is actually mass and not weight!".
Of course, it is not really correct but it is so common that it is considered okay to use.
My usage of word "zugzwang" is practically the same example.

@chess_enjoyer00 said in #9:

Please read last sentence carefully, it says that term (zugzwang) is not used precisely in chess.

Perhaps, but I have never heard anyone use it as you are now. Furthermore, your usage of it doesn't make sense, because "zugzwang" is then the same thing as "losing," so we don't need the word at all.