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Famous Opening Traps and how to avoid them

@bobflanagan1 Thank you for your support!

@dboing I published all 20 games I've analysed so far, but it's true that I plan to keep the study updated until I reach about 50 games. Right now I'm working on the missing Youtube-Videos. Today I released the Halosar Trap as a video and updated my comments on the trap, tomorrow I will release the Katalymov Trap as a video. Next week I will do the videos for the two Sicilian and two Petrov traps. As soon as they are done I will start releasing more traps.

As a database software I use one of the best known chess company from Germany. I don't know if I'm allowed to name them in this forum, so I avoid doing so, but I guess everyone should know wich company I mean.

Best, Jonny

@bobflanagan1 Thank you for your support! @dboing I published all 20 games I've analysed so far, but it's true that I plan to keep the study updated until I reach about 50 games. Right now I'm working on the missing Youtube-Videos. Today I released the Halosar Trap as a video and updated my comments on the trap, tomorrow I will release the Katalymov Trap as a video. Next week I will do the videos for the two Sicilian and two Petrov traps. As soon as they are done I will start releasing more traps. As a database software I use one of the best known chess company from Germany. I don't know if I'm allowed to name them in this forum, so I avoid doing so, but I guess everyone should know wich company I mean. Best, Jonny

I don't see why you could not mention it.. This is the software you are using, and I don't know its name. That would be factual information, not some advertisement for the company, you would not have set up this thread just to make a post on the second page, to drop their name, as sole or even secondary purpose of this thread. I would not think so, if you were to share.

So please do let us know. that allows us to know the reproducible conditions for the claims you make about the database and chess data you provide (the only scientific problem might be if their documentation does not match the proprietary hidden code manipulation of the data, but if they have generously been transparent about what the code does, with respect to data, then their results should be reproducible in any other program that also handle the database and the same core feature relative to data). I have been verbose, to explain that, for the sake of understanding, transparency is always best, and nobody should tell you wrong about being so.....

Thanks.

I don't see why you could not mention it.. This is the software you are using, and I don't know its name. That would be factual information, not some advertisement for the company, you would not have set up this thread just to make a post on the second page, to drop their name, as sole or even secondary purpose of this thread. I would not think so, if you were to share. So please do let us know. that allows us to know the reproducible conditions for the claims you make about the database and chess data you provide (the only scientific problem might be if their documentation does not match the proprietary hidden code manipulation of the data, but if they have generously been transparent about what the code does, with respect to data, then their results should be reproducible in any other program that also handle the database and the same core feature relative to data). I have been verbose, to explain that, for the sake of understanding, transparency is always best, and nobody should tell you wrong about being so..... Thanks.

@dboing I'm active on other forums and there it is forbidden because they see them as a direct competitor. But I guess in the forum of a non profit chess website it should be ok and if it's not I can delete it at any time.

I use the newest chessbase 15 with the Big Database 2020.

Best, Jonny

@dboing I'm active on other forums and there it is forbidden because they see them as a direct competitor. But I guess in the forum of a non profit chess website it should be ok and if it's not I can delete it at any time. I use the newest chessbase 15 with the Big Database 2020. Best, Jonny

Thanks. So it has been able to handle the full lichess database (approximatively)? I have no clue how big of a single computer resource requirement that would be. But if so, that is something I would want to try. with that software, or if some feature equivalent free or better yet, open source software or combination of them.

Thanks. So it has been able to handle the full lichess database (approximatively)? I have no clue how big of a single computer resource requirement that would be. But if so, that is something I would want to try. with that software, or if some feature equivalent free or better yet, open source software or combination of them.

@dboing I have no idea. I use chessbase to run the Big Database with ~8 million over the board games and this is absolutely no problem. I don't know f it is able to run the 200 million online Lichess games, because I didn't try and I don't see why it should be usefull to download 200 million online bullet / blitz games. If I want to know how often a position appeard in online games I just click on the book symbol on lichess and thats it.

Best, Jonny

@dboing I have no idea. I use chessbase to run the Big Database with ~8 million over the board games and this is absolutely no problem. I don't know f it is able to run the 200 million online Lichess games, because I didn't try and I don't see why it should be usefull to download 200 million online bullet / blitz games. If I want to know how often a position appeard in online games I just click on the book symbol on lichess and thats it. Best, Jonny

"If I want to know how often a position appeared in online games I just click on the book symbol on lichess and thats it."

That is actually my question. Is this how often the position has appeared, or only how many branches out of the node your are at? A book is not a population database, as far as I understand. unless, there are few duplicate games ever. If all games that are played on lichess are never duplicates of others. then you would be right. But maybe book = database of all games? anybody can chip in to confirm or infirm?

"If I want to know how often a position appeared in online games I just click on the book symbol on lichess and thats it." That is actually my question. Is this how often the position has appeared, or only how many branches out of the node your are at? A book is not a population database, as far as I understand. unless, there are few duplicate games ever. If all games that are played on lichess are never duplicates of others. then you would be right. But maybe book = database of all games? anybody can chip in to confirm or infirm?

@dboing

Click this link: https://lichess.org/analysis

Play the moves 1.e4 d5 2.d4, click on the book and then write down the numbers for each move. Then restart and play the moves 1.d4 d5 2.e4. You will see the exact same numbers so this one should be position based.

In the end I belive you're just overthinking the numbers. Just try to enjoy the games and learn something. There is no need to make it so complicated. 😊

Best, Jonny

@dboing Click this link: https://lichess.org/analysis Play the moves 1.e4 d5 2.d4, click on the book and then write down the numbers for each move. Then restart and play the moves 1.d4 d5 2.e4. You will see the exact same numbers so this one should be position based. In the end I belive you're just overthinking the numbers. Just try to enjoy the games and learn something. There is no need to make it so complicated. 😊 Best, Jonny

My point is not about whether it is position based, it is about whether duplicates are included (duplicates from actual duplicate games played, what is the statistics on that). This is not complicated for me, it is curiosity and fun, and how to interpret statistics that I read correctly: i.e. that many masters played this move out of this position, or that many different unique games from masters have this move played at that position. if duplicate actual games are frequent in the raw population database, and the book takes those out, then the second meaning is the right one, and the traps statistics should be understood as number of branches, not number of players of certain level. This is still fun for me to talk about, sorry. it takes all sorts to make a world. I find your stuff fun, but also mine. so no harm in asking questions, right?

Best, as well.

My point is not about whether it is position based, it is about whether duplicates are included (duplicates from actual duplicate games played, what is the statistics on that). This is not complicated for me, it is curiosity and fun, and how to interpret statistics that I read correctly: i.e. that many masters played this move out of this position, or that many different unique games from masters have this move played at that position. if duplicate actual games are frequent in the raw population database, and the book takes those out, then the second meaning is the right one, and the traps statistics should be understood as number of branches, not number of players of certain level. This is still fun for me to talk about, sorry. it takes all sorts to make a world. I find your stuff fun, but also mine. so no harm in asking questions, right? Best, as well.

in the study you did not show how to ovoid it

in the study you did not show how to ovoid it

I guess you just don't play the moves that led to the trap, such as for the Noah's Ark Trap, don't play 8.Qxd4, as that just loses a piece. Thanks for the study as well.

I guess you just don't play the moves that led to the trap, such as for the Noah's Ark Trap, don't play 8.Qxd4, as that just loses a piece. Thanks for the study as well.

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