Who are all these 2700+ ELO untitled players beating IMs and GMs on here?

@T_deus_ex_T said in #20:

that is not sandbagging.

How is it not sandbagging my friend? If I am a GM, and I make a new profile, all those people that I will beat while being provisional, I will have sandbagged against them. Of course it is, but its online chess, so... Who really cares? XD

because sandbagging is intentionally lowering your rating. starting a new account is not that.

@T_deus_ex_T said in #20:

that is not sandbagging.

How is it not sandbagging my friend? If I am a GM, and I make a new profile, all those people that I will beat while being provisional, I will have sandbagged against them. Of course it is, but its online chess, so... Who really cares? XD

Clearly you don't understand sandbagging, or, for that matter, rating manipulation, MY FRIEND.

@MISTER_McCHESS said in #21:

that is not sandbagging.

How is it not sandbagging my friend? If I am a GM, and I make a new profile, all those people that I will beat while being provisional, I will have sandbagged against them. Of course it is, but its online chess, so... Who really cares? XD

because sandbagging is intentionally lowering your rating. starting a new account is not that.

I think OP meant "rating manipulation". But yeah as you said it isn't even that. The rating system will not be hugely affected (and quickly righted) by a strong players beating weaker players along the climb.

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@Alphahumane said in #1:

Just wondering how come there are so many super strong untitled players on here?
Obviously titled players can register an account without getting their title associated with the account but the sheer numbers of them suggest there is something else afoot.

Maybe I'm overthinking it but grateful for ideas or positive suggestions, no insults please.

If you have to ask, you already know the answer. And the answer is not "they are just unrecognized chess geniuses."

@tpr said in #15:

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"You can use a nickname, keep your real identity secret and still have your title attached to your account, can't you ?"

• Titled players are allowed 2 accounts: one with title like to play titled only tournaments and one anonymous.

In many cases titled players are allowed to have two (or occasionally even more) titled accounts, which looks more logical to me. Imagine if I my account were untitled with my high ratings, it would look suspect to many. I find it better when the opponents know that they are facing a titled player.
The verification procedure might take some about 10-15 minutes (plus about one day before the title gets confirmed) and some identity card, and some people might have their legitimate reasons not to go through it.

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"titled players are allowed to have two (or occasionally even more) titled accounts, which looks more logical to me"

• Suppose you are World Champion GM Gukesh and you intend to surprise your challenger in the upcoming World Championship Match by playing the Pirc Defense, like Fischer and Korchnoi did before. In addition to analysis and maybe secret training matches with seconds, you want to play online to accumulate experience.
  Then GM Hsekug is not as effective an account as 3141592654. It is better to let people think you are an engine user.

"The verification procedure"

• The procedure implies that lichess staff knows your identity and might leak it even non-intentionally.

@DuMussDieUhrDruecken said in #24:

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Posts like this show why you're such a contributor to discussions.

they are good players who dont play irl

Actually I play a lot anonymously and I am very, very sure that I play often against titled players in the range of 2300-2400, yet also anonymous. However, engine users play often differently and players who have no clue but were plain fast are also different. As a bottom line, yes. Titled players gather here untitled.