Players don't realise that we have the right to play until checkmate, we don't have to resign

That is all your opinion... All I can say is that I discussed this situation after the tournament with my supervising arbiter, who agreed with my handling of the incident. (And it was consistent with my training which I had received from a different supervising arbiter.)

I guess I could have been a bit more formal and simply said, if you speak to your opponent again during the game, for any reason other than the explicitly allowed one, I will declare the game a draw (or maybe declaring it a draw for his opponent, and a loss for him... declaring it win for his opponent would be explicitly against my arbiter guidance form my national federation in this case), instead of stating I would interpret it as a draw offer... Same result, and in your mind, less controversial... But my judgement is that this would have been less effective in getting the message across.

If someone tells me to resign you can be damn sure I'm playing out to checkmate if the position is even slightly complicated

@mkubecek said ^

It's not fun for the losing player. If it's not fun for the winning one, it's usually a sign that it's not as hopeless as he/she would like to believe.
When my opponent keeps playing in a totally hopeless position, I take it as a challenge to find the most efficient way to either win or convince them they do not want to play this game any more. But only on the board and certainly not like:

I don't know why and how you think wiping a completely lost opponent off the board is fun. Even from the optimization perspective, it's not as fun as an actual game where your opponent is at equal odds. And again, I'm talking about a scenario such as a rook or knight down and you almost certainly know that your opponent is capable of going through it.

When past a point where the game is fun or any interesting at all, I can ask my opponent politely to resign.

Because that's something you should never do, except, perhaps, in a casual game with a good friend.

There's no loss for anyone, and what I see is that my opponent is the one being more or less greedy to squeeze even a little elo, often playing on from rage.
I think you or @CG314 somewhere along the lines mentioned official tournament rules, which I don't know where they come from. Of course in a tournament there's gonna be strict rules, and it's to disallow any form of distraction or abuse against your opponent, it doesn't even relate to specifically asking opponents to resign, even if it does which idk, it's not inherently right just because some organization said so and it's also likely only there to close off loopholes such as intentionally distracting your opponent under the guise of asking them to resign.

@BaronVonChickenpants said ^

If someone tells me to resign you can be damn sure I'm playing out to checkmate if the position is even slightly complicated

Actually, maybe even if its not complicated... I can hardly think of a better way to motivate me to fight all the way to mate...

@tpr said ^

"the player should always have the right of choice"

• Yes

"it does break sportsmanship"

• No

"I can ask my opponent politely to resign"

• No, you should stay silent.

"condemn that act of my opponent as unsportsmanlike"

• No, fighting spirit is laudable.

"your eventual loss is almost certain DEPENDING on your opponents capacity"

• I presented 3 examples where the loss was inevitable against a grandmaster.

"think that a player might not be able to convert"

• Do not think, let him demonstrate it.

"players shouldnt ask at all their opponents to resign"

• '11.5 It is forbidden to distract or annoy the opponent in any manner whatsoever. This includes unreasonable claims, unreasonable offers of a draw or the introduction of a source of noise into the playing area.'

"its considered verbal abuse"

• Yes.

"criticizing an opponent for not resigning is not right"

• Yes, it is unsportsmanlike.

do you even have a defintion of unsportsmanlike conduct?
Or anyone here?

opponent doesnt resign
quality and enjoyment is decreased for both sides as direct result
both waste time on a game that's easily converted
conclusion: Opponent is not even allowed to be criticized.

And I'm not saying in the case you still have chances. There's a lot of cases where even down a queen you do have chances. But I'm speaking explicitly for a scenario that is completely determined.

You kept on refrencing GM games. And you doubled down on your point even after I clearly countered it, and you didn't even read those it seems. GM's make bad etiquette too sometimes, if a GM cheats are you also allowed to cheat now? And you handpicked a few games where this kinda of extreme reluctance to resignation happens, while in simillar scenarios 9/10 GMs would have resigned.

Idk, seems like a lot here just speak from personal interest, because elo means everything and inflating it by just that 10-30 extra points, even if at a less than 5% chance, is worth spending 10-20 minutes of time on, which could've been used to actually learn the game.
Some legitimate counterarguments to my points here, I just gotta thank those few people for actually engaging in a civil discussion, but seems like this forum hasn't improved a lot since my last time on here... Is this ragebait or what.

formal tournament rules or not, asking someone to resign is most likely to result in them not resigning. this is why i only might ask my opponents to resign if i see a cool mate on the board and want to play it out.

as for sportsmanship and "respect in the community", i recommend to disregard anything discord says, who clearly is painfully unaware that they're mostly speaking about their own individual idea of those concepts.

@BaronVonChickenpants @CG314
I just wanna say, I would want to too. But if you were to step back, its a practice that's sadistic. And you know it. If I ever, I would be completely fine with being called a troll or stingy for elo instead of trying to call it some fighting spirit or say that it serves any purpose.

I have asked many players over the years why did they play on past the point when I personally would have resigned (this is all in OTB tournament play, if that matters to you), and I have NEVER heard any answer which referred to rating, elo, or even tournament ranking... The range of answers I have heard include the following categories;

-At my level, I though there was a good chance my opponent would blunder.
-I did not realize my position was as hopeless as it was.
-I thought my opponent deserved the privilege of playing out a nice mate.
-Resigning feels like a cowards way out.
-I wanted to learn from my opponent by watching his technique has he converts the win.
-I was punishing myself for my blunder earlier by forcing myself to play this dreadful position to the end.
-(from kids) my coach has told me never to resign.

I am sure there are more... I also do not exclude that there is some players out there who play on for the one in a million shot at saving an Elo point, but I have never ran across one of those.

In any event, whatever their reason, not resigning is the players choice. Asking an opponent to resign is flat out rude at a minimum. (thinking to yourself that the opponent should resign is of course fine, but articulating it is not.)

@discoooooord said ^

@BaronVonChickenpants @CG314
I just wanna say, I would want to too. But if you were to step back, its a practice that's sadistic. And you know it. If I ever, I would be completely fine with being called a troll or stingy for elo instead of trying to call it some fighting spirit or say that it serves any purpose.

Sadistic? Not at all! I learn the most from lost games. Resigning too soon denies you learning opportunities

@glbert said ^

formal tournament rules or not, asking someone to resign is most likely to result in them not resigning. this is why i only might ask my opponents to resign if i see a cool mate on the board and want to play it out.

as for sportsmanship and "respect in the community", i recommend to disregard anything discord says, who clearly is painfully unaware that they're mostly speaking about their own individual idea of those concepts.

I'm going to ask my opponents "no matter what happens, don;t resign" and rake in the Elo