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Titled Players and Bullet Rating

@mkubecek said in #28:

It would be perhaps much cleaner and more logical for lichess to ignore national titles completely and only recognize FIDE titles. It might stop all these pointless "why this and not this" discussions.

You don’t understand that even the level of a simple candidate for master of sports (of Russia, not FIDE) is already a very serious level. For example, specifically me, even just at my university in my youth:

  • the title of candidate for master of sports in chess - this was essentially a passing score for free education for 5 years at the main university in my profession in a large country (Russia); I had the right not to take exams and enroll in free education at this university, where I could then study for 5 years for free (and also receive a scholarship) only in order to play several games a year for the university chess team, and in one day play several games for the faculty chess team. I passed the exams myself, and entered the university, but I could have not done this, I would have been accepted in any case;
  • then all 4 years of physical education have been passed in advance, you do not need to go to physical education, do not take anything there for all 4 years, everything has already been passed;
  • this is an extension of each session to the next session inclusive, if necessary (it is enough to call the coach of the university team and say that I need an extension of the session); and if suddenly this is not enough - then the sports club will help solve the problem; they will call or go to the right person, will help solve the problem, explaining that this guy is definitely very much needed by the university and its chess team; being expelled from the university like this is thousands of times less likely than just being a student.
  • this is playing a bunch of games even on the 1st board for the university team, which has about 15,000 people (I mainly played on the 2nd board, but I also played a lot of games on the 1st board).
    And other people I know with the title of simply candidate for master of sports in chess (of Russia) had:
  • victories in youth championships of their cities in their age groups (including, for example, Moscow; I had a person in my youth team who won the youth championship of Moscow in his age groups twice; now he has long been a grandmaster, but then we were both just candidates for master of sports in chess);
  • victories in youth championships in their age groups even of the whole country (Russia);
  • etc. victories;
  • and a lot of useful things from the state for promising young candidates for master.
    A candidate for master of sports in chess (of Russia, the Czech Republic, and a number of other countries) is not just playing chess on Lichess. This is a serious level. And here such players are like non-title players, like on the same status with beginners, whom they can beat 1000:0.
@mkubecek said in #28: > It would be perhaps much cleaner and more logical for lichess to ignore national titles completely and only recognize FIDE titles. It might stop all these pointless "why this and not this" discussions. You don’t understand that even the level of a simple candidate for master of sports (of Russia, not FIDE) is already a very serious level. For example, specifically me, even just at my university in my youth: - the title of candidate for master of sports in chess - this was essentially a passing score for free education for 5 years at the main university in my profession in a large country (Russia); I had the right not to take exams and enroll in free education at this university, where I could then study for 5 years for free (and also receive a scholarship) only in order to play several games a year for the university chess team, and in one day play several games for the faculty chess team. I passed the exams myself, and entered the university, but I could have not done this, I would have been accepted in any case; - then all 4 years of physical education have been passed in advance, you do not need to go to physical education, do not take anything there for all 4 years, everything has already been passed; - this is an extension of each session to the next session inclusive, if necessary (it is enough to call the coach of the university team and say that I need an extension of the session); and if suddenly this is not enough - then the sports club will help solve the problem; they will call or go to the right person, will help solve the problem, explaining that this guy is definitely very much needed by the university and its chess team; being expelled from the university like this is thousands of times less likely than just being a student. - this is playing a bunch of games even on the 1st board for the university team, which has about 15,000 people (I mainly played on the 2nd board, but I also played a lot of games on the 1st board). And other people I know with the title of simply candidate for master of sports in chess (of Russia) had: - victories in youth championships of their cities in their age groups (including, for example, Moscow; I had a person in my youth team who won the youth championship of Moscow in his age groups twice; now he has long been a grandmaster, but then we were both just candidates for master of sports in chess); - victories in youth championships in their age groups even of the whole country (Russia); - etc. victories; - and a lot of useful things from the state for promising young candidates for master. A candidate for master of sports in chess (of Russia, the Czech Republic, and a number of other countries) is not just playing chess on Lichess. This is a serious level. And here such players are like non-title players, like on the same status with beginners, whom they can beat 1000:0.

@mkubecek said in #28:

It would be perhaps much cleaner and more logical for lichess to ignore national titles completely and only recognize FIDE titles. It might stop all these pointless "why this and not this" discussions.

No. It would be 100% worse. You also suggested declaring national masters as non-title masters. Which is completely, completely wrong. And, probably, there are also (albeit colossally rare) national grandmasters. And you even suggested declaring them non-title masters.

@mkubecek said in #28: > It would be perhaps much cleaner and more logical for lichess to ignore national titles completely and only recognize FIDE titles. It might stop all these pointless "why this and not this" discussions. No. It would be 100% worse. You also suggested declaring national masters as non-title masters. Which is completely, completely wrong. And, probably, there are also (albeit colossally rare) national grandmasters. And you even suggested declaring them non-title masters.

@Inventor_1 You threw your "Title" in the garbage after all this typing here ... You should have kept it . As for the Original question what is being said is that @Nightmare_Gagnon they are different Rating systems & different rating pools with Entirely different time controls & conditions > One being Over the board live Chess . Of course a person rated 3000 here bullet SHOULD HAVE the paietence to Play Over The Board at 2200 Levels & Probably 2700 as well . In fact there are some lower rated slightly older Players who's bullet is far less

@Inventor_1 You threw your "Title" in the garbage after all this typing here ... You should have kept it . As for the Original question what is being said is that @Nightmare_Gagnon they are different Rating systems & different rating pools with Entirely different time controls & conditions > One being Over the board live Chess . Of course a person rated 3000 here bullet SHOULD HAVE the paietence to Play Over The Board at 2200 Levels & Probably 2700 as well . In fact there are some lower rated slightly older Players who's bullet is far less

@ThunderClap said in #33:

@Inventor_1 You threw your "Title" in the garbage after all this typing here ... You should have kept it . As for the Original question what is being said is that @Nightmare_Gagnon they are different Rating systems & different rating pools with Entirely different time controls & conditions > One being Over the board live Chess . Of course a person rated 3000 here bullet SHOULD HAVE the paietence to Play Over The Board at 2200 Levels & Probably 2700 as well . In fact there are some lower rated slightly older Players who's bullet is far less

I also regret (a little) this. It was not a problem at all to confirm the title every 3 years. I did it easily before I completely abandoned chess. But then I completely abandoned chess. I even had a period of 11.5 years of my life in a row without even 1 game with people (and only played with the computer sometimes, not even 1 game every year). I have an idea to get it (the title of candidate master) again sometime in the future. Now it is faster than before. In my time, it required going through all the stages, successfully playing a number of tournaments, achieving the next category in each, then getting the candidate master norm 3 times. When I was very young, I started with achieving the 5th category. ))) That's what we had. And now it is faster, it is enough to play even 1 tournament successfully and get a sufficient rating. Which is what I plan to do sometime in the future. I have a mini-problem here. I estimate my game now (approximately so, judging by the information in the profiles of my opponents on Lichess) at approximately the required 2100 FIDE rating (to obtain my previous title of candidate for master of sports (not FIDE, but Russian) in Russia now). That is, I am not guaranteed to achieve the title of candidate for master of sports in chess (of Russia) from the first try. That is, I can get, for example, a 2050 FIDE rating. And then I will have to play again. And again. And this is time, and I have a lot of things to do. But this is only a mini-problem. Solvable.

@ThunderClap said in #33: > @Inventor_1 You threw your "Title" in the garbage after all this typing here ... You should have kept it . As for the Original question what is being said is that @Nightmare_Gagnon they are different Rating systems & different rating pools with Entirely different time controls & conditions > One being Over the board live Chess . Of course a person rated 3000 here bullet SHOULD HAVE the paietence to Play Over The Board at 2200 Levels & Probably 2700 as well . In fact there are some lower rated slightly older Players who's bullet is far less I also regret (a little) this. It was not a problem at all to confirm the title every 3 years. I did it easily before I completely abandoned chess. But then I completely abandoned chess. I even had a period of 11.5 years of my life in a row without even 1 game with people (and only played with the computer sometimes, not even 1 game every year). I have an idea to get it (the title of candidate master) again sometime in the future. Now it is faster than before. In my time, it required going through all the stages, successfully playing a number of tournaments, achieving the next category in each, then getting the candidate master norm 3 times. When I was very young, I started with achieving the 5th category. ))) That's what we had. And now it is faster, it is enough to play even 1 tournament successfully and get a sufficient rating. Which is what I plan to do sometime in the future. I have a mini-problem here. I estimate my game now (approximately so, judging by the information in the profiles of my opponents on Lichess) at approximately the required 2100 FIDE rating (to obtain my previous title of candidate for master of sports (not FIDE, but Russian) in Russia now). That is, I am not guaranteed to achieve the title of candidate for master of sports in chess (of Russia) from the first try. That is, I can get, for example, a 2050 FIDE rating. And then I will have to play again. And again. And this is time, and I have a lot of things to do. But this is only a mini-problem. Solvable.

I know a kid who hit 2900 bullet but is 2100 FIDE. He was in a group chess class with me.

I know a kid who hit 2900 bullet but is 2100 FIDE. He was in a group chess class with me.

@Rahsulaimon said in #35:

I know a kid who hit 2900 bullet but is 2100 FIDE. He was in a group chess class with me.

Who was it?

@Rahsulaimon said in #35: > I know a kid who hit 2900 bullet but is 2100 FIDE. He was in a group chess class with me. Who was it?

Is there any serious relation between bullet rating and having a chess title?

Is there any serious relation between bullet rating and having a chess title?

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