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@clousems said ^

@Idk0011
(Note: I'm only posting because this thread is what you used to justify being a tool in https://lichess.org/forum/off-topic-discussion/rip-potla, and, while I assume my message will be met with a "mean clousems is bullying me" sort of response, I do hope that the advice I'm about to give you will help you)
Judging by the way you've responded to this whole thing, I think you urgently need to reevaluate how you deal with this sort of thing.

First: don't grow too attached to internet friends. I've been on lichess for over a decade. I've had many friends on this site. Most of them have left for various reasons. If you get too attached to internet friends, you will find that a lot of your best friends leave you without so much as saying "bye".
She did indeed say bye. Ps: how old are you?

Second: You need to take a sec and step back. You joined the site a month ago. You are starting flamewars all over the damn place because your "friend" who you met less than a month ago (unless you're an alt-- if you are, tell your parents that they aren't doing a good job monitoring your internet activity) wasn't universally beloved. It's not bullying to point out that spamming is against the rules; it's not bullying to not worship another person on lichess, especially if they were infamous for spamming and were discovered to have violated lichess ToS. You should not be this devoted to some random internet stranger who posts things like "I am a panda and I eat bamboo!"
A: I don’t worship her, but I do defend my friends
B: pls dont invoke my parents in this. It really is not needed.
C: other people started the flamewars, not me

With few exceptions, I try not to say anything bad about closed accounts, out of respect for the privacy of others. But if it helps you break out of your mental conditioning, I can tell you that kind_panda did, in fact, troll others whom he or she didn't like for a while there. I don't claim to know why, and while I have a suspicion as to why he or she stopped, I don't want to spread false rumors. But a notorious spammer, occasional troll, and apparent rulebreaker who was known for annoying others for no apparent reason isn't the best person to religiously defend.

I do see your point here, and will try to change, I guess

On a related note, friendship doesn't mean defending everything your friends said or did. It means being willing to call your friends out when they are wrong.

Finally: Your strange trauma from this is no excuse to bully others. You ain't helping the reputation of your friend or yourself by bullying someone whose cat died. In fact, I'm pretty sure that your response in the other thread makes most who read it feel much less sorry for you and much less friendly towards you.
It isn’t bullying, I just think that if they are this sad, they should consult with an expert.

@clousems said [^](/forum/redirect/post/uLy121Ix) > @Idk0011 > (Note: I'm only posting because this thread is what you used to justify being a tool in https://lichess.org/forum/off-topic-discussion/rip-potla, and, while I assume my message will be met with a "mean clousems is bullying me" sort of response, I do hope that the advice I'm about to give you will help you) > Judging by the way you've responded to this whole thing, I think you urgently need to reevaluate how you deal with this sort of thing. > > First: don't grow too attached to internet friends. I've been on lichess for over a decade. I've had many friends on this site. Most of them have left for various reasons. If you get too attached to internet friends, you will find that a lot of your best friends leave you without so much as saying "bye". She did indeed say bye. Ps: how old are you? > > Second: You need to take a sec and step back. You joined the site a month ago. You are starting flamewars all over the damn place because your "friend" who you met less than a month ago (unless you're an alt-- if you are, tell your parents that they aren't doing a good job monitoring your internet activity) wasn't universally beloved. It's not bullying to point out that spamming is against the rules; it's not bullying to not worship another person on lichess, especially if they were infamous for spamming and were discovered to have violated lichess ToS. You should not be this devoted to some random internet stranger who posts things like "I am a panda and I eat bamboo!" A: I don’t worship her, but I do defend my friends B: pls dont invoke my parents in this. It really is not needed. C: other people started the flamewars, not me > With few exceptions, I try not to say anything bad about closed accounts, out of respect for the privacy of others. But if it helps you break out of your mental conditioning, I can tell you that kind_panda did, in fact, troll others whom he or she didn't like for a while there. I don't claim to know why, and while I have a suspicion as to why he or she stopped, I don't want to spread false rumors. But a notorious spammer, occasional troll, and apparent rulebreaker who was known for annoying others for no apparent reason isn't the best person to religiously defend. > I do see your point here, and will try to change, I guess > On a related note, friendship doesn't mean defending everything your friends said or did. It means being willing to call your friends out when they are wrong. > > Finally: Your strange trauma from this is no excuse to bully others. You ain't helping the reputation of your friend or yourself by bullying someone whose cat died. In fact, I'm pretty sure that your response in the other thread makes most who read it feel much less sorry for you and much less friendly towards you. It isn’t bullying, I just think that if they are this sad, they should consult with an expert.

First, I hope you really learn. But I'm not sure because in your first responses, you're still deflecting blame. Second, you should take the time to fix your responses in the quote, they're easily overlookable if you don't put a full linebreak behind the quotes.

First, I hope you really learn. But I'm not sure because in your first responses, you're still deflecting blame. Second, you should take the time to fix your responses in the quote, they're easily overlookable if you don't put a full linebreak behind the quotes.

@Idk0011
I've got to give you props for taking my last post in stride. There's hope for you yet, youngin!

A: I don’t worship her, but I do defend my friends
B: pls dont invoke my parents in this. It really is not needed.
C: other people started the flamewars, not me

Re: A: Defending your friends is fine, but there is a time, place, and amount to do so. It's also important to remember that your friends aren't faultless.
Re: B: That wasn't really meant as an insult, even though it came out that way. I do honestly believe that if you're creating alt accounts on a site with open forums, you're probably not under parental supervision, which is dangerous. Apologies for saying it in a kinda jerky way.
Re: C: I just know what I see. From where I'm at, it looks like you started a lot of the nonsense.

Re: the other thread: If that's the case, you should really think about how/when/what/why you're saying things. Also, I'd avoid going all mini-mod-- you're apparently not great at identifying spam. If people have something to talk about, that's fair game for the off topic section.

RE my age: I don't like giving my age on the internet, but I am an adult

@Idk0011 I've got to give you props for taking my last post in stride. There's hope for you yet, youngin! > A: I don’t worship her, but I do defend my friends > B: pls dont invoke my parents in this. It really is not needed. > C: other people started the flamewars, not me Re: A: Defending your friends is fine, but there is a time, place, and amount to do so. It's also important to remember that your friends aren't faultless. Re: B: That wasn't really meant as an insult, even though it came out that way. I do honestly believe that if you're creating alt accounts on a site with open forums, you're probably not under parental supervision, which is dangerous. Apologies for saying it in a kinda jerky way. Re: C: I just know what I see. From where I'm at, it looks like you started a lot of the nonsense. Re: the other thread: If that's the case, you should really think about how/when/what/why you're saying things. Also, I'd avoid going all mini-mod-- you're apparently not great at identifying spam. If people have something to talk about, that's fair game for the off topic section. RE my age: I don't like giving my age on the internet, but I am an adult

I do not usually post a lot on forums, however I do keep close tabs on them, Both sides of the argument have valid points o be considered. I do however believe that this forum is not the best place to have this argument. If you are going to argue about this you should do it in a place that Kind-Panda herself did not make. This forum is the place that we should remember her for the good things she did, not the bad ones. I will repeat what I said before, go argue somewhere else.

I do not usually post a lot on forums, however I do keep close tabs on them, Both sides of the argument have valid points o be considered. I do however believe that this forum is not the best place to have this argument. If you are going to argue about this you should do it in a place that Kind-Panda herself did not make. This forum is the place that we should remember her for the good things she did, not the bad ones. I will repeat what I said before, go argue somewhere else.

@RomanWalkerCrosby said ^

I do not usually post a lot on forums, however I do keep close tabs on them, Both sides of the argument have valid points o be considered. I do however believe that this forum is not the best place to have this argument. If you are going to argue about this you should do it in a place that Kind-Panda herself did not make. This forum is the place that we should remember her for the good things she did, not the bad ones. I will repeat what I said before, go argue somewhere else.

ಥ_ಥ Cute (:3

@RomanWalkerCrosby said [^](/forum/redirect/post/0h0lCp0C) > I do not usually post a lot on forums, however I do keep close tabs on them, Both sides of the argument have valid points o be considered. I do however believe that this forum is not the best place to have this argument. If you are going to argue about this you should do it in a place that Kind-Panda herself did not make. This forum is the place that we should remember her for the good things she did, not the bad ones. I will repeat what I said before, go argue somewhere else. ಥ_ಥ Cute (:3

@ScizorTheRedRay said ^

I do not usually post a lot on forums, however I do keep close tabs on them, Both sides of the argument have valid points o be considered. I do however believe that this forum is not the best place to have this argument. If you are going to argue about this you should do it in a place that Kind-Panda herself did not make. This forum is the place that we should remember her for the good things she did, not the bad ones. I will repeat what I said before, go argue somewhere else.

ಥ_ಥ Cute (:3

In what way?

@ScizorTheRedRay said [^](/forum/redirect/post/KUnE4HFR) > > I do not usually post a lot on forums, however I do keep close tabs on them, Both sides of the argument have valid points o be considered. I do however believe that this forum is not the best place to have this argument. If you are going to argue about this you should do it in a place that Kind-Panda herself did not make. This forum is the place that we should remember her for the good things she did, not the bad ones. I will repeat what I said before, go argue somewhere else. > > ಥ_ಥ Cute (:3 In what way?

@RomanWalkerCrosby said ^

I do not usually post a lot on forums, however I do keep close tabs on them, Both sides of the argument have valid points o be considered. I do however believe that this forum is not the best place to have this argument. If you are going to argue about this you should do it in a place that Kind-Panda herself did not make. This forum is the place that we should remember her for the good things she did, not the bad ones. I will repeat what I said before, go argue somewhere else.

ಥ_ಥ Cute (:3

In what way?

in the way that moves me :3

@RomanWalkerCrosby said [^](/forum/redirect/post/0wQ3oflx) > > > I do not usually post a lot on forums, however I do keep close tabs on them, Both sides of the argument have valid points o be considered. I do however believe that this forum is not the best place to have this argument. If you are going to argue about this you should do it in a place that Kind-Panda herself did not make. This forum is the place that we should remember her for the good things she did, not the bad ones. I will repeat what I said before, go argue somewhere else. > > > > ಥ_ಥ Cute (:3 > > In what way? in the way that moves me :3

Also (@)clousems it is possible for kids to have reasonable conversations, I am doing so now.

Also (@)clousems it is possible for kids to have reasonable conversations, I am doing so now.

I don't know if I'm allowed to post links to forums I wrote (is that considered advertising? Is it a grey area?) but I think some of you here genuinely need to read this:

https://lichess.org/forum/off-topic-discussion/online-friendship-psa#EqhHe80X

I don't know if I'm allowed to post links to forums I wrote (is that considered advertising? Is it a grey area?) but I think some of you here genuinely need to read this: https://lichess.org/forum/off-topic-discussion/online-friendship-psa#EqhHe80X

@Idk0011 said ^

To add, the cult of her person was preposterous, and the proclaimed friendships were probably superficial at best. In fact, her very first act here was randomly looking / begging for friends as well.

What is your basis on this? kind_Panda was an amazing player and a frequent OTD poster who was nicer than you ever were or still are, and they don't deserve hate whatsoever. Please don't post hate comments about people who very literal rays of sunshine on this site.

This is what I’ve been talking about all along. Stop being jerks to someone who, even if they did spam, did not directly insult anyone. Unlike what has been happening here!

Your kinda insulting us by saying we insult other people.

@Idk0011 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/bIqta7FC) > > > To add, the cult of her person was preposterous, and the proclaimed friendships were probably superficial at best. In fact, her very first act here was randomly looking / begging for friends as well. > > > > What is your basis on this? kind_Panda was an amazing player and a frequent OTD poster who was nicer than you ever were or still are, and they don't deserve hate whatsoever. Please don't post hate comments about people who very literal rays of sunshine on this site. > > This is what I’ve been talking about all along. Stop being jerks to someone who, even if they did spam, did not directly insult anyone. Unlike what has been happening here! Your kinda insulting us by saying we insult other people.

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