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Between moves 10 and 15 is exactly the phase where you gained the decisive advantage so taking your time there makes actually perfect sense.

I don't think there is an exact and universally accepted definition of stalling. It can take many forms, e.g. people taking unreasonably long to play in clearly decided positions (on either side), players "punishing" their opponents for not resigning by prolonging their path to victory, some people may even see using "too big" part of the first move timeout as stalling etc. But as the discussion above shows, what one person sees as an obvious case of stalling, another can see as perfectly acceptable.

Between moves 10 and 15 is exactly the phase where you gained the decisive advantage so taking your time there makes actually perfect sense. I don't think there is an exact and universally accepted definition of stalling. It can take many forms, e.g. people taking unreasonably long to play in clearly decided positions (on either side), players "punishing" their opponents for not resigning by prolonging their path to victory, some people may even see using "too big" part of the first move timeout as stalling etc. But as the discussion above shows, what one person sees as an obvious case of stalling, another can see as perfectly acceptable.

Witchling

Huh, if it was during those moves that I took the advantage... That implies my opponent views every move as deserving the same amount of time or was trying to throw me off. One is bad time management, the other just bad sports etiquette. Neither are particularly good.

Vague definitions are interesting, those make it harder to make rules against things. So that means discussions on the game and how to do better as a community.

In any case, I will have to go to sleep soon. I will reply tomorrow to any replies.

And, of course, thank you for your feedback, @Cedur216 and @mkubecek . Much appreciated :)

Huh, if it was during those moves that I took the advantage... That implies my opponent views every move as deserving the same amount of time or was trying to throw me off. One is bad time management, the other just bad sports etiquette. Neither are particularly good. Vague definitions are interesting, those make it harder to make rules against things. So that means discussions on the game and how to do better as a community. In any case, I will have to go to sleep soon. I will reply tomorrow to any replies. And, of course, thank you for your feedback, @Cedur216 and @mkubecek . Much appreciated :)

Chiksan

Stalling is where, instead of resigning, you just sit there and let your clock run out because you are so ass-mad that you lost, you punish your opponent by making him admire his winning position for like 7 minutes until he wins on time. It's actually impressive you have a non-provisional rating on Lichess and you've never seen it before.

Taking 40 seconds to calculate in a critical position is not stalling. Maybe your opponent should have "stalled" before he hung both rooks.

Stalling is where, instead of resigning, you just sit there and let your clock run out because you are so ass-mad that you lost, you punish your opponent by making him admire his winning position for like 7 minutes until he wins on time. It's actually impressive you have a non-provisional rating on Lichess and you've never seen it before. Taking 40 seconds to calculate in a critical position is not stalling. Maybe your opponent should have "stalled" before he hung both rooks.

ashsensei

People are weird. I got accused of cheating by this crazy Russian guy simply because he was losing (as a result of his plethora of mistakes, not due to any great play by me.) Don't feed the fish. I keep the chat off during games because inevitably if I don't there is some dude going nuts because I have failed to move at his desired speed... sigh.

mkubecek

The benefits of zen mode... :-)

But playing mostly classical games, I don't think I've ever encountered anyone attacking me in the game chat. People playing classical are probably more patient and calm in general. IIRC the worst I've seen in the game chat was something like "OK, I'm not going to play anyone with '?' at their rating anymore." - which was after a rapid game.

The benefits of zen mode... :-) But playing mostly classical games, I don't think I've ever encountered anyone attacking me in the game chat. People playing classical are probably more patient and calm in general. IIRC the worst I've seen in the game chat was something like "OK, I'm not going to play anyone with '?' at their rating anymore." - which was after a rapid game.

AsDaGo

@ashsensei said in #14:

I got accused of cheating by this crazy Russian guy simply because he was losing

No disrespect, but he was losing against you? Wow, Kramnik has really fallen off!

@ashsensei said in #14: > I got accused of cheating by this crazy Russian guy simply because he was losing No disrespect, but he was losing against you? Wow, Kramnik has really fallen off!

Witchling

@Chiksan said in #13:

Stalling is where, instead of resigning, you just sit there and let your clock run out because you are so ass-mad that you lost, you punish your opponent by making him admire his winning position for like 7 minutes until he wins on time. It's actually impressive you have a non-provisional rating on Lichess and you've never seen it before.

Well, maybe I saw it and didn't recognize it. I generally don't care if ppl let their timer run out in rapid, they only tell you that you beat them well. And I get time to ponder the game and drink my coffee, what's not to like?

@Chiksan said in #13: > Stalling is where, instead of resigning, you just sit there and let your clock run out because you are so ass-mad that you lost, you punish your opponent by making him admire his winning position for like 7 minutes until he wins on time. It's actually impressive you have a non-provisional rating on Lichess and you've never seen it before. Well, maybe I saw it and didn't recognize it. I generally don't care if ppl let their timer run out in rapid, they only tell you that you beat them well. And I get time to ponder the game and drink my coffee, what's not to like?

Witchling

@Toscani said in #17:

The chat is there to explain your stalling moves. Daydreaming causes stalling.

Yeah, makes sense you'd explain stallin through the chat. But that part about daydreaming is interesting, as I often don't think too hard during Chess. I just look at the board, see what looks good and play that. But it takes a bit more time than looking at it logically and doing the best logical option.

@Toscani said in #17: > The chat is there to explain your stalling moves. Daydreaming causes stalling. Yeah, makes sense you'd explain stallin through the chat. But that part about daydreaming is interesting, as I often don't think too hard during Chess. I just look at the board, see what looks good and play that. But it takes a bit more time than looking at it logically and doing the best logical option.

mkubecek

@Chiksan said in #13:

Stalling is where, instead of resigning, you just sit there and let your clock run out...
This is one case of stalling, sometimes called "rage quitting" or "rage sitting", often discussed in the forum. Lichess has automated detection and players get a warning or (if repeated) a temporary playban. It's often discussed in the forum, mostly by angry blitzers and bulletist who demand much harsher punishments ranging from immediate lifelong ban on first occurence to publicly streamed corporal punishment. (Just kidding... I hope.)

It's actually impressive you have a non-provisional rating on Lichess and you've never seen it before.
Maybe it's more frequent in short time controls. I play classical almost exclusively and I think I never encountered actual rage quitting / rage sitting. There were few no shows in swiss tournaments (that's similar in effect, you have to wait for the clock to run out) and one game which looked like it (except the position wasn't actually lost) but reportedly my opponent was distracted by an urgent matter and when he came back, he had a different window on top and forgot about the running game.

@Witchling said in #18:

I generally don't care if ppl let their timer run out in rapid, they only tell you that you beat them well. And I get time to ponder the game and drink my coffee, what's not to like?
This fits my observation so far. Bullet players who wait for half a minute are furious about rage quitting, blitz players who wait for two minutes are angry, rapid players wait for five minutes and are like "Seriously? Come on..." and classical players who wait for quarter an hour just shrug and do something else in the meantime. :-)

@Chiksan said in #13: > Stalling is where, instead of resigning, you just sit there and let your clock run out... This is one case of stalling, sometimes called "rage quitting" or "rage sitting", often discussed in the forum. Lichess has automated detection and players get a warning or (if repeated) a temporary playban. It's often discussed in the forum, mostly by angry blitzers and bulletist who demand much harsher punishments ranging from immediate lifelong ban on first occurence to publicly streamed corporal punishment. (Just kidding... I hope.) > It's actually impressive you have a non-provisional rating on Lichess and you've never seen it before. Maybe it's more frequent in short time controls. I play classical almost exclusively and I think I never encountered actual rage quitting / rage sitting. There were few no shows in swiss tournaments (that's similar in effect, you have to wait for the clock to run out) and one game which looked like it (except the position wasn't actually lost) but reportedly my opponent was distracted by an urgent matter and when he came back, he had a different window on top and forgot about the running game. @Witchling said in #18: > I generally don't care if ppl let their timer run out in rapid, they only tell you that you beat them well. And I get time to ponder the game and drink my coffee, what's not to like? This fits my observation so far. Bullet players who wait for half a minute are furious about rage quitting, blitz players who wait for two minutes are angry, rapid players wait for five minutes and are like "Seriously? Come on..." and classical players who wait for quarter an hour just shrug and do something else in the meantime. :-)