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Delaying d6 in the Indian Defense

Look at the games of Bobby Fisher he played like that with success first 0-0 before d6. Reason noone after him does that is because black can get under pressure and it can be hard to play it even from slightly better position by engine

Look at the games of Bobby Fisher he played like that with success first 0-0 before d6. Reason noone after him does that is because black can get under pressure and it can be hard to play it even from slightly better position by engine

I certaintly wouldn't recommend delaying d6. The whole point of the king's indian is to gain space on the kingside with e7-e5 and then to start an attack on the kingside. You should only play c7-c5 when White prepares to castle queenside (with e.g. f3, Be3, Qd2, O-O-O).
Playing c5 immediately actually just transposes to the Benoni or the Marotzy Bind variarion of the Dragon Sicilian or which is not easy to play for Black.
The only point of delaying d6 would be to break in the centre with c7-c6 followed by d7-d5 which is just barely playable.

I certaintly wouldn't recommend delaying d6. The whole point of the king's indian is to gain space on the kingside with e7-e5 and then to start an attack on the kingside. You should only play c7-c5 when White prepares to castle queenside (with e.g. f3, Be3, Qd2, O-O-O). Playing c5 immediately actually just transposes to the Benoni or the Marotzy Bind variarion of the Dragon Sicilian or which is not easy to play for Black. The only point of delaying d6 would be to break in the centre with c7-c6 followed by d7-d5 which is just barely playable.

@All_out_Tilt said ^

Playing c5 immediately actually just transposes to the Marotzy Bind variarion of the Dragon Sicilian which is not easy to play for Black.

I was certainly thinking that the positions become similar to Sicilians when I was creating the study. I am not a Sicilian player, though. I was thinking to switch recently. Maybe I will do that.

Anyway, the plans in this - as thought up by our digital overlord - seem to concentrate power on the queen side and attack on that flank. I certainly don't understand it, yet. Also, pushing e5 for White is not that common either, most people prefer to do their own thing.

None of the positions above were clearly winning for Black, so it was just an exploration of the position space, really.

Thanks for the reply.

@All_out_Tilt said [^](/forum/redirect/post/Pbc26SOB) > Playing c5 immediately actually just transposes to the Marotzy Bind variarion of the Dragon Sicilian which is not easy to play for Black. I was certainly thinking that the positions become similar to Sicilians when I was creating the study. I am not a Sicilian player, though. I was thinking to switch recently. Maybe I will do that. Anyway, the plans in this - as thought up by our digital overlord - seem to concentrate power on the queen side and attack on that flank. I certainly don't understand it, yet. Also, pushing e5 for White is not that common either, most people prefer to do their own thing. None of the positions above were clearly winning for Black, so it was just an exploration of the position space, really. Thanks for the reply.

Chessmood actually has some free content on this line if you want to learn more about the plans in this structure

Link: https://chessmood.com/course/maroczy-bind

Chessmood actually has some free content on this line if you want to learn more about the plans in this structure Link: https://chessmood.com/course/maroczy-bind

very interesting line , i wouldnt castle early though cos the knight on e8 doesnt help protect the h pawn and kingside as much. surely white could attack the light squares with some early h pawn attack. also if white does play e5 early then f5 can also be a useful outpost fot the knight via h6-f5

very interesting line , i wouldnt castle early though cos the knight on e8 doesnt help protect the h pawn and kingside as much. surely white could attack the light squares with some early h pawn attack. also if white does play e5 early then f5 can also be a useful outpost fot the knight via h6-f5

@kingznight said ^

very interesting line , i wouldnt castle early though cos the knight on e8 doesnt help protect the h pawn and kingside as much. surely white could attack the light squares with some early h pawn attack. also if white does play e5 early then f5 can also be a useful outpost fot the knight via h6-f5

I think it's more of a psychological idea. Once they "get you" and force your knight on what seems as an awkward square, they gain the confidence to overextend. But that knight is then going to attack with tempo whatever captures the sacced b5 pawn. Also, it's such a weird place for a knight that the opponent's pattern recognition might be tricked. It certainly supports the pawns that will ravage the "bathtub" pawn structure if White goes that way.

I think it's interesting. Will have to try it, I guess... Hoped you people would and not make me play... ;-)

@kingznight said [^](/forum/redirect/post/VWIps4uJ) > very interesting line , i wouldnt castle early though cos the knight on e8 doesnt help protect the h pawn and kingside as much. surely white could attack the light squares with some early h pawn attack. also if white does play e5 early then f5 can also be a useful outpost fot the knight via h6-f5 I think it's more of a psychological idea. Once they "get you" and force your knight on what seems as an awkward square, they gain the confidence to overextend. But that knight is then going to attack with tempo whatever captures the sacced b5 pawn. Also, it's such a weird place for a knight that the opponent's pattern recognition might be tricked. It certainly supports the pawns that will ravage the "bathtub" pawn structure if White goes that way. I think it's interesting. Will have to try it, I guess... Hoped you people would and not make me play... ;-)