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Vampires in Chess

@apollon13-a said in #61:

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This is hurting my logic, yet I somehow understand it

This is hurting my logic, yet I somehow understand it

reformulating. Vampires mirror images have illegal timing. Once a non-vampire is reached that levels the white initial timing, (Q: would it be always by losing tempo for some postional conformation = array? or just a error losing imbalance ), then there is timing room. But maybe we could still counting timing imbalances boundaries being crossed, just that going back on it is not necessarily illegal. Just from the departure position that is legal and its mirror legal, the counting would diverge... something like that.

To call the initial a vampire. is just saying its mirror image is not legal. but if keeping track of the timing imbalance all over were counted, then it might that it does exist as chess but as if black had the first move. It does exist we can look at it.

edit: (means afterthought of above). maybe I could finally understand the difference between a ply, a 2-ply, a tempo, and the initial white chess timing advantage. Parity with reversible moves about giving out chess time. Is there a half-tempo. Or did I derail again? I guess, i.e. induce, that the 16 clans are about 16 pawns,or 8 pawns and their en-passant vector, however encoded in FENs.

edit: any sentence looking like an affirmation is susceptible to my own logic or knowledge flaws. Don't be fooled by the lack of question marks. I chew hypotheses as a way of thinking.

reformulating. Vampires mirror images have illegal timing. Once a non-vampire is reached that levels the white initial timing, (Q: would it be always by losing tempo for some postional conformation = array? or just a error losing imbalance ), then there is timing room. But maybe we could still counting timing imbalances boundaries being crossed, just that going back on it is not necessarily illegal. Just from the departure position that is legal and its mirror legal, the counting would diverge... something like that. To call the initial a vampire. is just saying its mirror image is not legal. but if keeping track of the timing imbalance all over were counted, then it might that it does exist as chess but as if black had the first move. It does exist we can look at it. edit: (means afterthought of above). maybe I could finally understand the difference between a ply, a 2-ply, a tempo, and the initial white chess timing advantage. Parity with reversible moves about giving out chess time. Is there a half-tempo. Or did I derail again? I guess, i.e. induce, that the 16 clans are about 16 pawns,or 8 pawns and their en-passant vector, however encoded in FENs. edit: any sentence looking like an affirmation is susceptible to my own logic or knowledge flaws. Don't be fooled by the lack of question marks. I chew hypotheses as a way of thinking.

I am amazed plus I am Andrew too.

I am amazed plus I am Andrew too.

I noticed that I play better during the full moon, is it fine doc' ?

I noticed that I play better during the full moon, is it fine doc' ?

Sigh... nary a mention of Shannon number.

Google finds https://www.nwchess.com/articles/misc/Chess_Board_Positions_article.pdf :

So How Many Chess Board Positions Are There?
By Eric Holcomb
Bend, Oregon
In 1950, computer chess pioneer Claude Shannon (1916-2001) used this statistical theory to calculate the number of chess board positions with all 32 chessmen on the board, without regard to the rules of chess. (In other words, the chessmen may be placed on any squares, as long as each man occupies a different square.) The resulting number is written as 64! / 32!(8!)^2(2!)^6 , which has a numerical value of 4.635 x 10^42, or 9.270 x 10^42 (almost 10^43) if the result is doubled because chess positions are considered distinct depending on whose turn it is to move.

Sigh... nary a mention of Shannon number. Google finds https://www.nwchess.com/articles/misc/Chess_Board_Positions_article.pdf : > So How Many Chess Board Positions Are There? > By Eric Holcomb > Bend, Oregon > In 1950, computer chess pioneer Claude Shannon (1916-2001) used this statistical theory to calculate the number of chess board positions with all 32 chessmen on the board, without regard to the rules of chess. (In other words, the chessmen may be placed on any squares, as long as each man occupies a different square.) The resulting number is written as 64! / 32!(8!)^2(2!)^6 , which has a numerical value of 4.635 x 10^42, or 9.270 x 10^42 (almost 10^43) if the result is doubled because chess positions are considered distinct depending on whose turn it is to move.

I think that referring to the number of molecules of water in the ocean was the blog wink at the shannon number, but it had the orniginality of compact the volume of the analogy.

As it introduces the notion of a huge set, having some possible volumetric measure to it. Not just the counting measure.
I think that last post is a nice informative complement. and precise backref, and summary quote of the pdf.

I think though the interest of this blog, at least to me, and I might be missing some reasoning elements, is about position relationships at depth in both directions of the divergence

Not mastering such things, I might be rephrasing in vain. It appeared to me that it might be related to tempo counting method inference from a given not too deep position, in some development explanation. I still wonder where and how one loses such traceability that both methods, the vampire question and that tempo counting one, I heard existing, in passing in some other chess discussion.

But given that the author and many participants could indeed find examples which would allow vampire question, I think there is something there, that is not just about the standard initial and its dual not being legal because it is a 960 with paint switched (and king to queen switch, if I did not stumble over my switches too much). I would like to understand what is so special about unsing the initial position as reference. To apply the method. I might understand it might make the method easier to compute. But if my take home without being able to do the exercise myself, is still compatible. That it can use an initial configuration and some move types restrictions about all the moves, this initial configuration could be any deep position in some game.

and there, could not one apply the same relative method, only we would not need to talk about vampires, only a shift in turn. Whether that was legal or not, might still be a question, but have we not already something about counting tempi from distant positions with some exactitude, given the move type restrictions (could oyu remind me if that make sense which such restrcitions, it would advance my convering spiral of understanding, and then I might not need for frown as much and make calcualtion mistakes I would have an idea of the method I could figure out again, and detect my errors even before failure.

Also, what about the relation with existing tempo counting inference. I am in the fog, in both directions. If i don,t make sense. just don,t answer. At least I made this iteration. This was a very interesting series of blogs. With a good example of post-blog attention to the audience actually trying to reproduce on their own the method and find their own new candidates.

I think that referring to the number of molecules of water in the ocean was the blog wink at the shannon number, but it had the orniginality of compact the volume of the analogy. As it introduces the notion of a huge set, having some possible volumetric measure to it. Not just the counting measure. I think that last post is a nice informative complement. and precise backref, and summary quote of the pdf. I think though the interest of this blog, at least to me, and I might be missing some reasoning elements, is about position relationships at depth in both directions of the divergence Not mastering such things, I might be rephrasing in vain. It appeared to me that it might be related to tempo counting method inference from a given not too deep position, in some development explanation. I still wonder where and how one loses such traceability that both methods, the vampire question and that tempo counting one, I heard existing, in passing in some other chess discussion. But given that the author and many participants could indeed find examples which would allow vampire question, I think there is something there, that is not just about the standard initial and its dual not being legal because it is a 960 with paint switched (and king to queen switch, if I did not stumble over my switches too much). I would like to understand what is so special about unsing the initial position as reference. To apply the method. I might understand it might make the method easier to compute. But if my take home without being able to do the exercise myself, is still compatible. That it can use an initial configuration and some move types restrictions about all the moves, this initial configuration could be any deep position in some game. and there, could not one apply the same relative method, only we would not need to talk about vampires, only a shift in turn. Whether that was legal or not, might still be a question, but have we not already something about counting tempi from distant positions with some exactitude, given the move type restrictions (could oyu remind me if that make sense which such restrcitions, it would advance my convering spiral of understanding, and then I might not need for frown as much and make calcualtion mistakes I would have an idea of the method I could figure out again, and detect my errors even before failure. Also, what about the relation with existing tempo counting inference. I am in the fog, in both directions. If i don,t make sense. just don,t answer. At least I made this iteration. This was a very interesting series of blogs. With a good example of post-blog attention to the audience actually trying to reproduce on their own the method and find their own new candidates.