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You are right to explore off beat openings. The lichess database shows that the "best" moves statistically against 1. e4 are Nf6 and Nc6. And that's just one random example out of millions.

Objectively, Stockfish will tell you that these moves are theoretically dubious, and borderline losing. But even if you filter>2200 elo in the database, the data shows these are the "practical best" moves (as opposed to theoretically best).

People memorize too much main lines, and then don't know how to play chess once you take them out of their comfort zone...

You are right to explore off beat openings. The lichess database shows that the "best" moves statistically against 1. e4 are Nf6 and Nc6. And that's just one random example out of millions. Objectively, Stockfish will tell you that these moves are theoretically dubious, and borderline losing. But even if you filter>2200 elo in the database, the data shows these are the "practical best" moves (as opposed to theoretically best). People memorize too much main lines, and then don't know how to play chess once you take them out of their comfort zone...
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Yo if you are looking for something offbeat against the english, you can play Be7 f5, like grand prix, but the knight isnt blocking the c pawn, and can go to c7 via a6 or d7 or nowhere at all

Yo if you are looking for something offbeat against the english, you can play Be7 f5, like grand prix, but the knight isnt blocking the c pawn, and can go to c7 via a6 or d7 or nowhere at all

hi, anyone got tips on the london

hi, anyone got tips on the london

@Zehow said in #15:

hi, anyone got tips on the london
no

@Zehow said in #15: > hi, anyone got tips on the london no

@BananaBeaver said in #11:

You are right to explore off beat openings. The lichess database shows that the "best" moves statistically against 1. e4 are Nf6 and Nc6. And that's just one random example out of millions.

Objectively, Stockfish will tell you that these moves are theoretically dubious, and borderline losing. But even if you filter>2200 elo in the database, the data shows these are the "practical best" moves (as opposed to theoretically best).

People memorize too much main lines, and then don't know how to play chess once you take them out of their comfort zone...

Yeah, off-beat openings can be quite effective in fast time controls...

https://lichess.org/DQJj0Qst/white#14

@BananaBeaver said in #11: > You are right to explore off beat openings. The lichess database shows that the "best" moves statistically against 1. e4 are Nf6 and Nc6. And that's just one random example out of millions. > > Objectively, Stockfish will tell you that these moves are theoretically dubious, and borderline losing. But even if you filter>2200 elo in the database, the data shows these are the "practical best" moves (as opposed to theoretically best). > > People memorize too much main lines, and then don't know how to play chess once you take them out of their comfort zone... Yeah, off-beat openings can be quite effective in fast time controls... https://lichess.org/DQJj0Qst/white#14