wait you can earn money gambling?! thats one thing my mom never told me! how do I get started?
ColorParrot the money "in" also goes "out". For every dollar someone wins, someone else needs to lose. If there is a bank who charges you fees, the bank is the only secure winner. You can be better at poker than someone else, like in chess, too. but be careful, there might always be someone better than you. Do not play poker, play at least at the stock market - its cheaper and more rewarding. Poker can make you addicted, so the recommendation is: dont even start thinking about it. It doesnt mean some professional poker players can not make a win, but remember - for every winner there must be a loser. Likely you!
For the subject of Luck: if you see it that way, boxing is also luck: you can have a weaker and a stronger day.
But chess, different to poker, starts at least with an equal position (well, white has the tiny advantage of having the first move, but then again, on average, you get as many whites as blacks.
Overall, chess is a game, that eliminates the element of luck more than most other games. If you blunder, your opponent may feel that is "luck", (or you have bad luck having overlooked something) but I do not consider this as "luck". Throwing a dice or a coin feels more like having the element of "random" in it than chess.
But probably there is no luck at all in everything: everything could maybe calculated if you only new every variable of influence - which is impossible to know. But practically, yes, many things feel "random" (thus "luck" and "bad luck") chess is one of the games that has eliminated random by a huge margin, and the difference of a chess result is likely based on skill. The more skill, the less "lucky" you need to be.
Honestly, it also depends on how you're thinking. Chess, as we have been all taught, is one of the few games that require skill. But, they never mentioned Resilience. If you lose 2 games in a row, the chance of you winning is unlikely... how? Well, you can almost (almost being the key word) tell whether you're gonna win or lose by playing a few games.
As I was saying, if you lose 2 games... your confidence will drop, and common sense says that if you don't believe you can, how can you? So, it really depends on you. When you think about it, it's less likely for you to get 3 games in a row, than it it for you to lose 3 games in a row. Well, for me, when I lose a game, I get under-confident, and when I win one... sorta over confident.
So yes, maybe god has planned everything before-hand, or maybe (As I like to believe) it's just free-will skill we believe to have. :)
I feel like a 4 year old child tryna roast saying "You're Wrong!" with no proof, lol. But this topic is actually quite interesting especially for a atheist, if chess is solved, technically... isn't there luck? Well, if Stockfish played Stockfish at the same level, White will always have 99% accuracy, while Black only 97%. And again, chess is solved, no matter what the normal human will play... AI already played against you in 100 variations, so yeah... I guess it does have something related to luck, but if it does... I could yapp on about 1000 ways that how everything has luck, so good luck tryna solve this question, I'd like to keep thinking before I get old (even though I'm only ten)! Great blog though, :)
Your right, if my opponents win its just bad luck
Depends on how we define luck. I define it as anything that is outside your control.
In chess and in poker, you make a decision based on what you know, and whether your decision is correct, or the degree to which it is incorrect, depends on things you don't know, therefore it is outside your control. In chess, unlike in poker, in principle you could know everything about the current state and all possible future states - but in reality you don't, unless you are a 'perfect' chess player, so it doesn't make a qualitative difference. The unknowns bring an element of luck into both games. The realm of the unknown can shrink as you improve at the game, but it never goes away in practice.
There are other elements of luck as well: for example your opponents' decisions, which are at least partially outside your control. This can be a source of bad luck even for a 'perfect' chess player in case their opponent happens to play a perfect game.
@MFXX said in #8:
> Стоит добавить, что Glicko-2, рейтинговая система, используемая Lichess, предполагает, что рейтинг игрока является случайной величиной с нормальным распределением после завершения рейтингового периода (который в Lichess состоит из одной игры). Таким образом, рейтинг игрока является случайной величиной с самого построения рейтинговой системы.
This here is the best explanation without using too much math.
@ungewichtet said in #7:
> I'd say in chess played by humans there is luck because of our limited horizon.
Players who do have about the same rating do have about the same ability to look up until to a certain depth into a position. Then they estimate / validate the positions without calculating to the bitter end. Their validation of the positions that arise may be slightly different because though their ratings is about the same their skills aren't necessarily evenly distributed, so yes, to a certain degree the outcome of two 1600 players playing each others is connected with luck, as both their validations are flawed. And the one who wins might have the luck that his calc was correct, not the real insight.
It is absolutely clear when two 1200 players are playing each other, but this principle is also true for higher ratings.
There's obviously luck in chess
@MyDeletedAcc said in #15:
> Your right, if my opponents win its just bad luck
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