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Novelty Piece Sac against the Jobava London!

my opinion is this blog is BAD. its so obvious that someone looked at the moves from the engine.i mean what is e6-g5-f5? its just inhuman. I have playing this for 3 years, and in my knowledge, e6 is the move that black wants to play AFTER The bishop goes out. good for the engine but just utter nonsense for the humans eye. i will explain how to play this variation practically in MY blog. hope you understood what i said. good material but needs extra knowledge.

my opinion is this blog is BAD. its so obvious that someone looked at the moves from the engine.i mean what is e6-g5-f5? its just inhuman. I have playing this for 3 years, and in my knowledge, e6 is the move that black wants to play AFTER The bishop goes out. good for the engine but just utter nonsense for the humans eye. i will explain how to play this variation practically in MY blog. hope you understood what i said. good material but needs extra knowledge.

I don't get why 3...a6 is needed since I always thought that 3...c5 is the easiest way to equalize or have a slight edge quick.

I don't get why 3...a6 is needed since I always thought that 3...c5 is the easiest way to equalize or have a slight edge quick.

The problem with this opening is not how to equalize but to decide for one of the many ways. After having a look at this interesting variation spam I think I will try 3... a6 4.e3 e6 with black next time. Then there is the move 5.g4, played by GMs, which seems to score good, but 5...Bb4! 6.Ne2 (best according to Stockfish) 6...Nxg4! 7.Rg1 g5! 8.Rxg4 gxf4 9.Nxf4 Nc6! and black plans to bring the a-rook to g8.

The other ideas presented here also look good. I may add 3...g6!? = and 3...c5 4.e3 cxd4 5.exd4 and now 5...a6= or 5...Bg4!? =

The Jobava London is no advantage for white. The stronger player / luckier idiot will win.

The problem with this opening is not how to equalize but to decide for one of the many ways. After having a look at this interesting variation spam I think I will try 3... a6 4.e3 e6 with black next time. Then there is the move 5.g4, played by GMs, which seems to score good, but 5...Bb4! 6.Ne2 (best according to Stockfish) 6...Nxg4! 7.Rg1 g5! 8.Rxg4 gxf4 9.Nxf4 Nc6! and black plans to bring the a-rook to g8. The other ideas presented here also look good. I may add 3...g6!? = and 3...c5 4.e3 cxd4 5.exd4 and now 5...a6= or 5...Bg4!? = The Jobava London is no advantage for white. The stronger player / luckier idiot will win.

Thank you for this Blog Post!
Haven't seen the piece sac anywhere else...
I think there are a lot of different ways to get a good way Examples include:

  1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Bf4 e6 4. Nb5 Bb4+ 5. c3 Ba5
  2. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Bf4 c5 4. e3 cxd4 5. exd4 Bg4 6. f3 Bd7 (somewhat more solid)
  3. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Bf4 a6 4. e3 b5 (which has been before mentioned , i personally like to play nbd7 before c5 so that after the typical dxc5 i can play nxc5 and further prevent the e4 push)

The question is what one prefers / where one can understand the position + Plans.
I think it is important to look at the arising positions with a human eye since the engines always say 0.0

Thank you for this Blog Post! Haven't seen the piece sac anywhere else... I think there are a lot of different ways to get a good way Examples include: 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Bf4 e6 4. Nb5 Bb4+ 5. c3 Ba5 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Bf4 c5 4. e3 cxd4 5. exd4 Bg4 6. f3 Bd7 (somewhat more solid) 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Bf4 a6 4. e3 b5 (which has been before mentioned , i personally like to play nbd7 before c5 so that after the typical dxc5 i can play nxc5 and further prevent the e4 push) The question is what one prefers / where one can understand the position + Plans. I think it is important to look at the arising positions with a human eye since the engines always say 0.0

@mvnh said in #11:

my opinion is this blog is BAD. its so obvious that someone looked at the moves from the engine.i mean what is e6-g5-f5? its just inhuman. I have playing this for 3 years, and in my knowledge, e6 is the move that black wants to play AFTER The bishop goes out. good for the engine but just utter nonsense for the humans eye. i will explain how to play this variation practically in MY blog. hope you understood what i said. good material but needs extra knowledge.

Then you're just not an attacking player.
It seems perfectly human to me to play g5 f5.
Now in the 1900s, this would be considered bad, but nowadays it's a different story...
Plus he has so many variations. The engine only helped him. He still had to put in a ton of work. Opening files are hard to make, not gonna lie. The blog is great.

Also @GetDiscombobulated You left a comment on my study about opening queen sacs, thanks for that.

@mvnh said in #11: > my opinion is this blog is BAD. its so obvious that someone looked at the moves from the engine.i mean what is e6-g5-f5? its just inhuman. I have playing this for 3 years, and in my knowledge, e6 is the move that black wants to play AFTER The bishop goes out. good for the engine but just utter nonsense for the humans eye. i will explain how to play this variation practically in MY blog. hope you understood what i said. good material but needs extra knowledge. Then you're just not an attacking player. It seems perfectly human to me to play g5 f5. Now in the 1900s, this would be considered bad, but nowadays it's a different story... Plus he has so many variations. The engine only helped him. He still had to put in a ton of work. Opening files are hard to make, not gonna lie. The blog is great. Also @GetDiscombobulated You left a comment on my study about opening queen sacs, thanks for that.

@Gen_E_chess said in #12:

I don't get why 3...a6 is needed since I always thought that 3...c5 is the easiest way to equalize or have a slight edge quick.

Yeah ur totally right i forgot to mention that, although c5 is completey fine i wanted to side step the 3..c5 4.e4! Variation which is nothing to be feared if porperly prepared - but since playing a6 first has a higher statistical chance of leading to the piece sac line i chose that move order

@Gen_E_chess said in #12: > I don't get why 3...a6 is needed since I always thought that 3...c5 is the easiest way to equalize or have a slight edge quick. Yeah ur totally right i forgot to mention that, although c5 is completey fine i wanted to side step the 3..c5 4.e4! Variation which is nothing to be feared if porperly prepared - but since playing a6 first has a higher statistical chance of leading to the piece sac line i chose that move order

@GetDiscombobulated said in #16:

I don't get why 3...a6 is needed since I always thought that 3...c5 is the easiest way to equalize or have a slight edge quick.

Yeah ur totally right i forgot to mention that, although c5 is completey fine i wanted to side step the 3..c5 4.e4! Variation which is nothing to be feared if porperly prepared - but since playing a6 first has a higher statistical chance of leading to the piece sac line i chose that move order

Yeah, it's just 3.e4 is the only way white can play actively like they would like in the aggressive Jobava style, but even then it just ends with black being slightly better with a nice setup. I think the main line is intuitive for black after 4.e4, and it is much easier to play for black in my experience.

Hans Niemann even lost in just 12 moves going into this line as white a few years ago, which I think only justifies this sentiment.

Another benefit of 3...c5 is that the most common 4.e3, which is likely the best try for white is just met with 4...cxd4 5.exd4 a6! where white's knight is misplaced and black can claim not just equality, but a slight edge most of the time.

3...c5 is the entire reason I consider the Jobava to be a refuted opening choice since it takes very little study to use it effectively, and white has no tricks to play for. Ever since studying it I've been excited to face the Jobava. In fact I am still unbeaten when I applied the 3...c5 line online.

The only crazy line that seems missing from practice comes after 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e4 dxe4 6.d5! which may promise a complex game. This idea is only practiced by white in around 0.06% of games due to the rarity of 4.Nf3 and 5.e4.

@GetDiscombobulated said in #16: > > I don't get why 3...a6 is needed since I always thought that 3...c5 is the easiest way to equalize or have a slight edge quick. > > Yeah ur totally right i forgot to mention that, although c5 is completey fine i wanted to side step the 3..c5 4.e4! Variation which is nothing to be feared if porperly prepared - but since playing a6 first has a higher statistical chance of leading to the piece sac line i chose that move order Yeah, it's just 3.e4 is the only way white can play actively like they would like in the aggressive Jobava style, but even then it just ends with black being slightly better with a nice setup. I think the main line is intuitive for black after 4.e4, and it is much easier to play for black in my experience. Hans Niemann even lost in just 12 moves going into this line as white a few years ago, which I think only justifies this sentiment. Another benefit of 3...c5 is that the most common 4.e3, which is likely the best try for white is just met with 4...cxd4 5.exd4 a6! where white's knight is misplaced and black can claim not just equality, but a slight edge most of the time. 3...c5 is the entire reason I consider the Jobava to be a refuted opening choice since it takes very little study to use it effectively, and white has no tricks to play for. Ever since studying it I've been excited to face the Jobava. In fact I am still unbeaten when I applied the 3...c5 line online. The only crazy line that seems missing from practice comes after 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e4 dxe4 6.d5! which may promise a complex game. This idea is only practiced by white in around 0.06% of games due to the rarity of 4.Nf3 and 5.e4.

@Gen_E_chess said in #17:

I don't get why 3...a6 is needed since I always thought that 3...c5 is the easiest way to equalize or have a slight edge quick.

Yeah ur totally right i forgot to mention that, although c5 is completey fine i wanted to side step the 3..c5 4.e4! Variation which is nothing to be feared if porperly prepared - but since playing a6 first has a higher statistical chance of leading to the piece sac line i chose that move order

Yeah, it's just 3.e4 is the only way white can play actively like they would like in the aggressive Jobava style, but even then it just ends with black being slightly better with a nice setup. I think the main line is intuitive for black after 4.e4, and it is much easier to play for black in my experience.

Hans Niemann even lost in just 12 moves going into this line as white a few years ago, which I think only justifies this sentiment.

Another benefit of 3...c5 is that the most common 4.e3, which is likely the best try for white is just met with 4...cxd4 5.exd4 a6! where white's knight is misplaced and black can claim not just equality, but a slight edge most of the time.

3...c5 is the entire reason I consider the Jobava to be a refuted opening choice since it takes very little study to use it effectively, and white has no tricks to play for. Ever since studying it I've been excited to face the Jobava. In fact I am still unbeaten when I applied the 3...c5 line online.

The only crazy line that seems missing from practice comes after 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e4 dxe4 6.d5! which may promise a complex game. This idea is only practiced by white in around 0.06% of games due to the rarity of 4.Nf3 and 5.e4.

There are more crazy lines like this. I love the Jobava and I discovered 2 novelties in it that I've kept to myself. The recommendation in this blog is great and I found it hard to play against from the looks of it. Again, GREAT BLOG!

@Gen_E_chess said in #17: > > > I don't get why 3...a6 is needed since I always thought that 3...c5 is the easiest way to equalize or have a slight edge quick. > > > > Yeah ur totally right i forgot to mention that, although c5 is completey fine i wanted to side step the 3..c5 4.e4! Variation which is nothing to be feared if porperly prepared - but since playing a6 first has a higher statistical chance of leading to the piece sac line i chose that move order > > Yeah, it's just 3.e4 is the only way white can play actively like they would like in the aggressive Jobava style, but even then it just ends with black being slightly better with a nice setup. I think the main line is intuitive for black after 4.e4, and it is much easier to play for black in my experience. > > Hans Niemann even lost in just 12 moves going into this line as white a few years ago, which I think only justifies this sentiment. > > Another benefit of 3...c5 is that the most common 4.e3, which is likely the best try for white is just met with 4...cxd4 5.exd4 a6! where white's knight is misplaced and black can claim not just equality, but a slight edge most of the time. > > 3...c5 is the entire reason I consider the Jobava to be a refuted opening choice since it takes very little study to use it effectively, and white has no tricks to play for. Ever since studying it I've been excited to face the Jobava. In fact I am still unbeaten when I applied the 3...c5 line online. > > The only crazy line that seems missing from practice comes after 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e4 dxe4 6.d5! which may promise a complex game. This idea is only practiced by white in around 0.06% of games due to the rarity of 4.Nf3 and 5.e4. There are more crazy lines like this. I love the Jobava and I discovered 2 novelties in it that I've kept to myself. The recommendation in this blog is great and I found it hard to play against from the looks of it. Again, GREAT BLOG!