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@Cooperating said in #10:

@Toadofsky , @wodjul yeah I mean how much? some authorities recommend macros like 50/30/25 (carbs, protein, fats), whereas others favor fats over protein (eg 55/15/30)

As I indicated, I am not a medical doctor and not a nutrition expert. But from general knowledge (I have some basic science-literacy in the physical and biological sciences) and from some personal experience I can say this. The balance people need will depend on their starting health, age and body mass index (BMI). It will also depend on how much exercise they do regularly. Hopefully they do some exercise regularly. If not they need to start, likely after a full health check first.

For an overweight person, the Atkins diet can work well. This strongly limits carbs (sugars and starches) while not really limiting fats and proteins. But a young, fit, athlete training hard and competing hard is likely going to be eating significant carbs too, probably much more weighted to starches instead of sugars for training and stamina events (carb loading for marathons for example) but in high intensity competition, explosive events, (sprints, weight-lifting, American football, maybe glucose as well as salt in the rehydrating drinks.

Other "out-there" diets which can work for weight loss and weight maintence are "paleo" and eat-once-a-day diets. But these are hard to keep up indefinitely. Paleo probably approximates the Atkins anyway. Eating once a day can work. I did it for 12 months and it really did work. When I woke up I would have no breakfast, no lunch, no morning or afternoon tea and no snacks. I could drink black, unsweetened coffee or tea plus water through the day. I would eat an evening meal after the sun went down and eat as much as I liked. It was still a healthy balanced meal. After that meal I would have no dessert but instead a bowl of high-fibre breakfast cereal with some fruit on top. Go to bed later only after all this is digested and do the same the next day and so on.

At the same time, I walked / jogged (changing pace and terrain all the way) for 40 minutes a day every day. The weight peeled off at a steady rate of a kilo a month and I became very fit for my age at that time (over 60). However, this diet is not advisable for many people - not for diabetics for example or for any people who become faint if they fast for 24 hours. There are probably several other conditions where it is also not advisable. In the end, I severely sprained an ankle running for 40 mins a day at that stage over rough ground and then I could not run for many weeks. I lost focus, left the diet regimen and exercise and slowly put all the weight back on over the next year. Extreme diet and exercise can lead to people cracking and giving up. Probably best to be more sensible and use continuous and more gentle exercise and diet control while keeping a balanced diet.

@Cooperating said in #10: > @Toadofsky , @wodjul yeah I mean how much? some authorities recommend macros like 50/30/25 (carbs, protein, fats), whereas others favor fats over protein (eg 55/15/30) As I indicated, I am not a medical doctor and not a nutrition expert. But from general knowledge (I have some basic science-literacy in the physical and biological sciences) and from some personal experience I can say this. The balance people need will depend on their starting health, age and body mass index (BMI). It will also depend on how much exercise they do regularly. Hopefully they do some exercise regularly. If not they need to start, likely after a full health check first. For an overweight person, the Atkins diet can work well. This strongly limits carbs (sugars and starches) while not really limiting fats and proteins. But a young, fit, athlete training hard and competing hard is likely going to be eating significant carbs too, probably much more weighted to starches instead of sugars for training and stamina events (carb loading for marathons for example) but in high intensity competition, explosive events, (sprints, weight-lifting, American football, maybe glucose as well as salt in the rehydrating drinks. Other "out-there" diets which can work for weight loss and weight maintence are "paleo" and eat-once-a-day diets. But these are hard to keep up indefinitely. Paleo probably approximates the Atkins anyway. Eating once a day can work. I did it for 12 months and it really did work. When I woke up I would have no breakfast, no lunch, no morning or afternoon tea and no snacks. I could drink black, unsweetened coffee or tea plus water through the day. I would eat an evening meal after the sun went down and eat as much as I liked. It was still a healthy balanced meal. After that meal I would have no dessert but instead a bowl of high-fibre breakfast cereal with some fruit on top. Go to bed later only after all this is digested and do the same the next day and so on. At the same time, I walked / jogged (changing pace and terrain all the way) for 40 minutes a day every day. The weight peeled off at a steady rate of a kilo a month and I became very fit for my age at that time (over 60). However, this diet is not advisable for many people - not for diabetics for example or for any people who become faint if they fast for 24 hours. There are probably several other conditions where it is also not advisable. In the end, I severely sprained an ankle running for 40 mins a day at that stage over rough ground and then I could not run for many weeks. I lost focus, left the diet regimen and exercise and slowly put all the weight back on over the next year. Extreme diet and exercise can lead to people cracking and giving up. Probably best to be more sensible and use continuous and more gentle exercise and diet control while keeping a balanced diet.

@Wodjul "or any people who become faint if they fast for 24 hours"

or for anyone severely underweight like me =)

for fat loss i think u could just limit starches and fruit after 6 pm. (less active period or rest & digest)

@Wodjul "or any people who become faint if they fast for 24 hours" or for anyone severely underweight like me =) for fat loss i think u could just limit starches and fruit after 6 pm. (less active period or rest & digest)