If this game is not worth an entire thread what would he do? He can post it in a blog but that's not needed. Let's get a moderator decide what we can share in game analysis forum.
@bufferunderrun please help.
If this game is not worth an entire thread what would he do? He can post it in a blog but that's not needed. Let's get a moderator decide what we can share in game analysis forum.
@bufferunderrun please help.
Even if (as shadow says) the game is a low quality type, not everyone recognizes it. If someone is not experienced enough, those numbers simply give him happiness. So we can just tell them and maybe ignore instead of discouraging what the game analysis forum is for.
I understand the bias forum community has built on people who repeatedly spam games on this forum like AVague Brutal-Baby and lastly, the OP. But in the process we should not forget why game analysis forum was created.
Even if (as shadow says) the game is a low quality type, not everyone recognizes it. If someone is not experienced enough, those numbers simply give him happiness. So we can just tell them and maybe ignore instead of discouraging what the game analysis forum is for.
I understand the bias forum community has built on people who repeatedly spam games on this forum like AVague Brutal-Baby and lastly, the OP. But in the process we should not forget why game analysis forum was created.
gotta 91% against
https://lichess.org/qgkc2v1Z/black
2000 nice game lolggs
gotta 91% against
https://lichess.org/qgkc2v1Z/black
2000 nice game lol
ggs
What happened to this thread, I wonder?
What happened to this thread, I wonder?
(@)MrPushwood: These types of people---Lichessians---seem to think that any criticism directed at them is hate that is being fueled by personal grudges. Ironically, by falsely accusing others of, 'hating,' they are the ones who are hating. (Game Analysis is filled with these types of people.)
(@)kindaspongey: '"If you believe someone's comments are inappropriate, report them. ..."' ~ And if the content is not forbidden, or if moderators do not care---like they have not done for months on end---what should the users do?
'"In future please discuss title matter instead [of] meta discussions about the discussion."' ~ What is there to discuss about these types of one-sided games?
(@)TheMagnusAura: 'Even if (as shadow says) the game is a low quality type, not everyone recognizes it.' ~ Which is why we should explain to them that such games are not beneficial to public forums; they drown away the few decent threads that are created.
'If someone is not experienced enough, those numbers simply give him happiness.' ~ Others happiness should not negatively impact public forums.
'So we can just tell them and maybe ignore instead of discouraging what the game analysis forum is for.' ~ Game Analysis is for game analysis. What is there to analyze from this game? We should discourage people from posting low-effort, low-quality content. If they insist on doing so, then they have blogs, teams, studies, direct messages, and so on.
'we should not forget why game analysis forum was created.' ~ To analyze games. (That is literally the sub-forum's name.)
(@)SANJAY-KURAMA2003: What are your thoughts about the game that you just posted? Currently, it has no real content other than a standard engine analysis.
(@)MrPushwood: These types of people---Lichessians---seem to think that any criticism directed at them is hate that is being fueled by personal grudges. Ironically, by falsely accusing others of, 'hating,' they are the ones who are hating. (Game Analysis is filled with these types of people.)
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(@)kindaspongey: '"If you believe someone's comments are inappropriate, report them. ..."' ~ And if the content is not forbidden, or if moderators do not care---like they have not done for months on end---what should the users do?
'"In future please discuss title matter instead [of] meta discussions about the discussion."' ~ What is there to discuss about these types of one-sided games?
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(@)TheMagnusAura: 'Even if (as shadow says) the game is a low quality type, not everyone recognizes it.' ~ Which is why we should explain to them that such games are not beneficial to public forums; they drown away the few decent threads that are created.
'If someone is not experienced enough, those numbers simply give him happiness.' ~ Others happiness should not negatively impact public forums.
'So we can just tell them and maybe ignore instead of discouraging what the game analysis forum is for.' ~ Game *Analysis* is for game *analysis*. What is there to analyze from this game? We should discourage people from posting low-effort, low-quality content. If they insist on doing so, then they have blogs, teams, studies, direct messages, and so on.
'we should not forget why game analysis forum was created.' ~ To analyze games. (That is literally the sub-forum's name.)
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(@)SANJAY-KURAMA2003: What are your thoughts about the game that you just posted? Currently, it has no real content other than a standard engine analysis.
@shadow1414 said ^
(@)SANJAY-KURAMA2003: Public forums do not benefit from low-effort, low-quality threads. This threads is nothing more than a game where your opponent played terribly, thus allowing you an easy win. What meaningfull discussion---or, in other words, analysis---can be derived from it?
Good point. But you are missing an important note.
Meaningful and beneficial to whom exactly? Maybe not to you or other players higher rated but this forum is public for all lichess users. I believe there are many players who struggle with exploiting opponents mistakes for example.
If this forum post doesnt suit or benefit you you can move on but opening a discussion about who gets to post what isnt gonna get you anywhere especially when the lense is your POV.
@shadow1414 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/Z2GWClGT)
> (@)SANJAY-KURAMA2003: Public forums do not benefit from low-effort, low-quality threads. This threads is nothing more than a game where your opponent played terribly, thus allowing you an easy win. What meaningfull discussion---or, in other words, analysis---can be derived from it?
Good point. But you are missing an important note.
Meaningful and beneficial to whom exactly? Maybe not to you or other players higher rated but this forum is public for all lichess users. I believe there are many players who struggle with exploiting opponents mistakes for example.
If this forum post doesnt suit or benefit you you can move on but opening a discussion about who gets to post what isnt gonna get you anywhere especially when the lense is your POV.
(@)DStamateleios: Bad points. You are missing an important part: Actually reading posts before responding to them.
Meaningful and beneficial to a sub-forum named, 'Game Analysis.' What analysis can be derived from one-sided games and low-effort bragging threads where the original poster puts nothing more meaningful than a standard engine analysis? The harsh truth is, such games happen every minute, and are nothing special.
Maybe you and the original poster enjoy bragging about your easy wins, but Game Analysis is for game analysis.
This forum is public to all, so it should not be drowned in low-quality content.
If the original poster is looking to actually analyze their games, then they should do the following: Post a game that has discussion value; share their own thoughts about the game.
If my posts do not benefit you, then you can move on. Or, even better, Google the concept, 'free speech.'
(@)DStamateleios: Bad points. You are missing an important part: Actually reading posts before responding to them.
Meaningful and beneficial to a sub-forum named, 'Game *Analysis*.' What analysis can be derived from one-sided games and low-effort bragging threads where the original poster puts nothing more meaningful than a standard engine analysis? The harsh truth is, such games happen every minute, and are nothing special.
Maybe you and the original poster enjoy bragging about your easy wins, but Game *Analysis* is for game *analysis*.
This forum is public to all, so it should not be drowned in low-quality content.
If the original poster is looking to actually analyze their games, then they should do the following: Post a game that has discussion value; share their own thoughts about the game.
If my posts do not benefit you, then you can move on. Or, even better, Google the concept, 'free speech.'
@shadow1414
Your answer covers nothing.
I never spoke about the quality of the content I also do recognize the problem of spamming.
My point was that I dont assume you go do the same on Facebook or Instagram or whatever if you dont like the content.
Like it or not to people around that elo range of the OP these games might turn out beneficial what do you expect of a person rated 1500? GM level analysis?
One cannot not know beforehand if a post is helpful or not which is why ive never posted anything I just like to scroll through and one in a 100 times I might find something useful or a good passtime.
The only reason I responded to your ragebait to begin with is that you seem to be unaware of the concept of the internet.
You expect a whole community to go along with your standards as if it means anything.
You are part of the problem not of the solution.
Have a good one.
@shadow1414
Your answer covers nothing.
I never spoke about the quality of the content I also do recognize the problem of spamming.
My point was that I dont assume you go do the same on Facebook or Instagram or whatever if you dont like the content.
Like it or not to people around that elo range of the OP these games might turn out beneficial what do you expect of a person rated 1500? GM level analysis?
One cannot not know beforehand if a post is helpful or not which is why ive never posted anything I just like to scroll through and one in a 100 times I might find something useful or a good passtime.
The only reason I responded to your ragebait to begin with is that you seem to be unaware of the concept of the internet.
You expect a whole community to go along with your standards as if it means anything.
You are part of the problem not of the solution.
Have a good one.
@MrPushwood said ^
I have no idea how the engine derives its conclusions about this sort of thing...but they are frequently misleading (and at times downright inept).
Roughly speaking, they measure how much damage you did to your winning chances... If you miss a mate in one (playing it was 100% winning chances), but are left in a position that is mate in 5 (still 100%), or a table-base won positions (still 100%), then you have sone zero 'damage' so is still gives you perfect accuracy. If you are left up a Q, maybe the engine sees you with 99.999% winning chances, so still effectively no damage, and perfect accuracy.
Similarly, if you are already down a queen, and have a 0.0001 winning chances, hanging a rook barely does more damage than playing the best move (your winning chances cant get much lower), so again, no damage to accuracy.
Accuracy works half way decently as a tool, in positions that remain between +1 and -1 evaluations until the very end of the game (since in that range, second and third best moves, chance your winning chances a bit, and even hanging a pawn or similar changes them quite a lot), but is a completely useless tool once the position reaches a stage where, for the engine/a top player the result is a forgone conclusion.
@MrPushwood said [^](/forum/redirect/post/9m6HJZ2R)
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> I have no idea how the engine derives its conclusions about this sort of thing...but they are frequently misleading (and at times downright inept).
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Roughly speaking, they measure how much damage you did to your winning chances... If you miss a mate in one (playing it was 100% winning chances), but are left in a position that is mate in 5 (still 100%), or a table-base won positions (still 100%), then you have sone zero 'damage' so is still gives you perfect accuracy. If you are left up a Q, maybe the engine sees you with 99.999% winning chances, so still effectively no damage, and perfect accuracy.
Similarly, if you are already down a queen, and have a 0.0001 winning chances, hanging a rook barely does more damage than playing the best move (your winning chances cant get much lower), so again, no damage to accuracy.
Accuracy works half way decently as a tool, in positions that remain between +1 and -1 evaluations until the very end of the game (since in that range, second and third best moves, chance your winning chances a bit, and even hanging a pawn or similar changes them quite a lot), but is a completely useless tool once the position reaches a stage where, for the engine/a top player the result is a forgone conclusion.
(@)DStamateleios: 'And again: please make it meaningful, that means: add some text, analysis, questions, thoughts....' Source: https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/why-cant-i-share-my-games-in-analysis-section#6. (Original poster has already downvoted that post, which suggests a lot about their character.)
Your answers show how unpleasant you are I also recognize that you love to misrepresent peoples' statement. (Are you trying to role play as a Djinn?)
I assume that you do the same on Facebook or Instagram or whatever if you dont like the truth.
Like it or not I will call out low-effort / low-quality content, lies, spam, and so on when I see it.
My point was that-- Actually, just read posts before responding to them (or do not respond at all).
The only reason that I respond to your slander is that you seem to be unaware of the concept of free speech.
You expect a whole community to stay silent when being faced with bad content.
You are defending and encouraging problems.
You write many words, but nothing of truth nor value is coming out of them. If you do not want me to respond to your lies, then do not encourage me to do so.
It is truly something else when trolls act like they are the ones who are in the right and are more mature.
Have a walk, meditate, and drink some tea; those things may help you with calming down.
(@)DStamateleios: 'And again: please make it meaningful, that means: add some text, analysis, questions, thoughts....' Source: https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/why-cant-i-share-my-games-in-analysis-section#6. (Original poster has already downvoted that post, which suggests a lot about their character.)
Your answers show how unpleasant you are I also recognize that you love to misrepresent peoples' statement. (Are you trying to role play as a Djinn?)
I assume that you do the same on Facebook or Instagram or whatever if you dont like the truth.
Like it or not I will call out low-effort / low-quality content, lies, spam, and so on when I see it.
My point was that-- Actually, just read posts before responding to them (or do not respond at all).
The only reason that I respond to your slander is that you seem to be unaware of the concept of free speech.
You expect a whole community to stay silent when being faced with bad content.
You are defending and encouraging problems.
You write many words, but nothing of truth nor value is coming out of them. If you do not want me to respond to your lies, then do not encourage me to do so.
It is truly something else when trolls act like they are the ones who are in the right and are more mature.
Have a walk, meditate, and drink some tea; those things may help you with calming down.