Also can a move be a quiet positional move and still a capture and thus a brilliancy, the Rxc3 sacrifice in the sicilian is often considered a brilliant sacrifice with no immediate payoff, and is relatively quiet but it is a capture
Also can a move be a quiet positional move and still a capture and thus a brilliancy, the Rxc3 sacrifice in the sicilian is often considered a brilliant sacrifice with no immediate payoff, and is relatively quiet but it is a capture
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1848607
It is just checkmate in 2.
I do note even consider 30...Qxh3+ as brilliant
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1084375
"Rxc3 sacrifice in the sicilian"
- It is thematic. Each Sicilian player looks at it. Nothing brilliant about ...Rxc3.
"Rxc3 sacrifice in the sicilian"
* It is thematic. Each Sicilian player looks at it. Nothing brilliant about ...Rxc3.
@tpr said ^
I do note even consider 30...Qxh3+ as brilliant
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1084375
Wow you must have extremely high standards for a brilliancy then, what would count as a brilliancy then?
@tpr said [^](/forum/redirect/post/qrAMW8YS)
> I do note even consider 30...Qxh3+ as brilliant
> https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1084375
Wow you must have extremely high standards for a brilliancy then, what would count as a brilliancy then?
"what would count as a brilliancy then?"
- Any move that satisfies all 4 criteria.
I gave an example above: Botvinnik-Capablanca 1938: 30 Ba3
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1031957
'It was a pleasure to lose to Botvinnik, he played so well. He misled me completely.
I thought I was winning. Very clever ! Very good!' - Capablanca
"what would count as a brilliancy then?"
* Any move that satisfies all 4 criteria.
I gave an example above: Botvinnik-Capablanca 1938: 30 Ba3
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1031957
'It was a pleasure to lose to Botvinnik, he played so well. He misled me completely.
I thought I was winning. Very clever ! Very good!' - Capablanca
@tpr said ^
"what would count as a brilliancy then?"
- Any move that satisfies all 4 criteria.
I gave an example above: Botvinnik-Capablanca 1938: 30 Ba3
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1031957
'It was a pleasure to lose to Botvinnik, he played so well. He misled me completely.
I thought I was winning. Very clever ! Very good!' - Capablanca
Weird question from me, would you have considered that move a brilliancy if there was a pawn on a3
@tpr said [^](/forum/redirect/post/rtdH2mXG)
> "what would count as a brilliancy then?"
> * Any move that satisfies all 4 criteria.
> I gave an example above: Botvinnik-Capablanca 1938: 30 Ba3
> https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1031957
> 'It was a pleasure to lose to Botvinnik, he played so well. He misled me completely.
> I thought I was winning. Very clever ! Very good!' - Capablanca
Weird question from me, would you have considered that move a brilliancy if there was a pawn on a3
"would you have considered that move a brilliancy if there was a pawn on a3"
"would you have considered that move a brilliancy if there was a pawn on a3"
* No.
@tpr said ^
"would you have considered that move a brilliancy if there was a pawn on a3"
That's funny to me because the exact idea is the same, both moves are counter-intuitive, and both would be the only winning move, but you discount it as brilliant because it is a capture and solely because of that
@tpr said [^](/forum/redirect/post/Bx6bOsBX)
> "would you have considered that move a brilliancy if there was a pawn on a3"
> * No.
That's funny to me because the exact idea is the same, both moves are counter-intuitive, and both would be the only winning move, but you discount it as brilliant because it is a capture and solely because of that
"the exact idea is the same"
- Would you consider Bxa3 brilliant if a knight, bishop, rook, or queen were on a3? The exact idea is the same.
"the exact idea is the same"
* Would you consider Bxa3 brilliant if a knight, bishop, rook, or queen were on a3? The exact idea is the same.
@tpr said ^
"the exact idea is the same"
- Would you consider Bxa3 brilliant if a knight, bishop, rook, or queen were on a3? The exact idea is the same.
No but in that case it is also a gain or trade of material rather than a sacrifice of it, it makes the move intuitive rather than unintuitive so it is no longer brilliant, with a pawn there, the move still meets all other criteria, so i'm curious as to see why it doesn't work as one then, I will say, it is more brilliant without a hypothetical pawn on a3, but I would still count it as brilliant nonetheless, maybe i'm just not good enough at chess to understand what a brilliant move actually is lol.
@tpr said [^](/forum/redirect/post/5SEJTi8d)
> "the exact idea is the same"
> * Would you consider Bxa3 brilliant if a knight, bishop, rook, or queen were on a3? The exact idea is the same.
No but in that case it is also a gain or trade of material rather than a sacrifice of it, it makes the move intuitive rather than unintuitive so it is no longer brilliant, with a pawn there, the move still meets all other criteria, so i'm curious as to see why it doesn't work as one then, I will say, it is more brilliant without a hypothetical pawn on a3, but I would still count it as brilliant nonetheless, maybe i'm just not good enough at chess to understand what a brilliant move actually is lol.