Has the interview with the CB guy cut short?
It feels like it ended abruptly haha.
"I want to keep enjoying the pie while dissing on the one who conceptualized the recipe and worked out the deets. Also I'm kinda reluctant to share it with other people, so please let me enjoy the pie! Mmm, that's delicious.."
- That's the gist of what CB wants to achieve in this lawsuit.
Thankfully the judge has shown that the burden of proof lies on CB with regards to both Houdini 6 and FF2. March 2023 though is quite far away. Hope for the best.
If KD Pathak defends ChessBase then they will win the case for sure!
(For the unversed it's fictional character based on courtroom drama series Adaalat (anglicised Court) where KD Pathak has knack of winning every case even when his clients are stuck in tightest of situations)
@King-Queen-Crusaders said in #28:
> @Dood03 Thanks for explaining without injecting bias.
>
> I think this makes more harm than good. Since they(Chessbase) are enhancing software and not just wrapping a UCI engine into another engine and calling it original.
It may be true that they have added enhancements, but this only shows why this is harmful. The point of the GPL (or any Copyleft license) is that the software remains free/libre even if someone creates enhancements/changes. Why should Chessbase be allowed to use the immense work of Stockfish developers selfishly for themselves without being required to allow the community to benefit?
> Chessbase is the only decent software out there with a nice UI that can represent UCI engines analysis etc.
That's simply not true. Take Scid for example.
> If they put something like "based partially on Stockfish work" would that be enough?
No it would not. They need to do that of course, but they also need to release the code and neural net for Fat Fritz. At this point, they also need to pay cash damages to Stockfish, ideally enough to wipe them off the face of the earth.
> Otherwise if Stockfish don't like it because they oppose perhaps Commercial software, wouldn't that be a bit cynical?
I think what you mean by "commercial" is "proprietary" or "nonfree", which is quite different. Stockfish's license allows it to be sold commercially (so it would not be "free" in the "no cost" sense) as long as it remains free in the "freedom" sense, which is what we are demanding of Chessbase. You can read more about free software here: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html And no, I don't see how it would be cynical.
What Chessbase is doing is illegal and unethical, and I believe and hope that Stockfish will win this case. May the better engine win!
quite an interesting topic
Хочешь улучшить игру в шахматы?! Заходи сюда: sites.google.com/view/chessandlife-org Лучшие курсы по повышению шахматной квалификации! Самые низкие цены среди всех других шахматных платформ! Точно не пожалеете!
@Nikka6 said in #59:
> Хочешь улучшить игру в шахматы?! Заходи сюда: sites.google.com/view/chessandlife-org Лучшие курсы по повышению шахматной квалификации! Самые низкие цены среди всех других шахматных платформ! Точно не пожалеете!
Is there a version of Stockfish available with a really big NNUE file superior to the one Chessbase sold? I understand the Stockfish team try to keep their file small to ensure it can work on phones etc.?
@AsDaGo said in #57:
> What Chessbase is doing is illegal and unethical, and I believe and hope that Stockfish will win this case. May the better engine win!
Excellent I respect your opinion. In all honestly though, Scid doesn't compete with Chessbase products in the slightest.
The Chessbase people belongs behind bars :)
@King-Queen-Crusaders said in #28:
> If they put something like "based partially on Stockfish work" would that be enough? Otherwise if Stockfish don't like it because they oppose perhaps Commercial software, wouldn't that be a bit cynical?
No, of course it wouldn't be enough. The GPL license has very specific stipulations about the conditions you must fulfill. It's also relatively short, and I think you should give it a read.
This isn't about Stockfish opposing commercial software. The team has graciously provided the engine for free and has posted the source code for everyone to see. Additionally, people can take whatever they want from it so long as they respect the license that the software is distributed under. Chess base does none of this, their source code is closed and you cannot make any derivative works from it. In this way, Chess base's model is even more antagonistic to other commercial developers.
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