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Botvinnik vs. Fischer

@kindaspongey said ^

I strongly disagree about the rhyming of suspicion and collusion.

Oh yeah, you’re right. Sorry, my bad :(

@kindaspongey said [^](/forum/redirect/post/knQk5mKI) > I strongly disagree about the rhyming of suspicion and collusion. Oh yeah, you’re right. Sorry, my bad :(

@tpr said ^

"He won the title"

  • In a tournament where his compatriots colluded to help him.

False.

"defended it against Bronstein"

  • In a rigged match. Bronstein was not allowed to win.

False. Bronstein himself said it wasn't rigged.

@tpr said [^](/forum/redirect/post/kDIqg56R) > "He won the title" > * In a tournament where his compatriots colluded to help him. False. > "defended it against Bronstein" > * In a rigged match. Bronstein was not allowed to win. False. Bronstein himself said it wasn't rigged.

Botvinnik won the 1948 World Championship tournament because of 4 wins against Keres and in absence of Fine and Najdorf.
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032181
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032173
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032191
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032172

Bronstein drew the 1951 World Championship match against Botvinnik 12-12 so Botvinnik retained his title, but look at the games:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032203
At the end Bronstein thought for 45 minutes and resigned.
In the final game Bronstein played right into Botvinnik's pet line
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032200

Botvinnik won the 1948 World Championship tournament because of 4 wins against Keres and in absence of Fine and Najdorf. https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032181 https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032173 https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032191 https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032172 Bronstein drew the 1951 World Championship match against Botvinnik 12-12 so Botvinnik retained his title, but look at the games: https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032203 At the end Bronstein thought for 45 minutes and resigned. In the final game Bronstein played right into Botvinnik's pet line https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032200

@tpr said ^

Botvinnik won the 1948 World Championship tournament because of 4 wins against Keres and in absence of Fine and Najdorf.
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032181
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032173
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032191
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032172

Bronstein drew the 1951 World Championship match against Botvi...

You’re just repeating what you said, just like in the Karpov vs. Fischer thread ._.

@tpr said [^](/forum/redirect/post/zrgf2QMA) > Botvinnik won the 1948 World Championship tournament because of 4 wins against Keres and in absence of Fine and Najdorf. > https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032181 > https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032173 > https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032191 > https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1032172 > > Bronstein drew the 1951 World Championship match against Botvi... You’re just repeating what you said, just like in the Karpov vs. Fischer thread ._.

I provide the games, so everybody can see for themselves.

I provide the games, so everybody can see for themselves.

@tpr said ^

I provide the games, so everybody can see for themselves.

'Look at the games' isn't evidence.

@tpr said [^](/forum/redirect/post/QqWBCZA1) > I provide the games, so everybody can see for themselves. 'Look at the games' isn't evidence.

@RaghavaVRao said ^

Team Fischer.

Bro you have to explain why you’re team Fischer.

@RaghavaVRao said [^](/forum/redirect/post/KHLgg3Em) > ### Team Fischer. Bro you have to explain why you’re team Fischer.

This table gives peak Fischer 60-40 against peak Botvinnik and 56-44 against peak Karpov.
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This table gives peak Fischer 60-40 against peak Botvinnik and 56-44 against peak Karpov. ![image.png](https://image.lichess1.org/display?op=noop&path=oi_fjB9T9rP4.png&sig=6e3f75af481c207f1e949cc1adf85d052cda3ca0)

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