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Chessalyz.ai alternatives(free or very cheap only)/ How to analyze your games - note them down or no

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  • If you want features not available for free, then you have to pay.
    However, I do not see what good those features would do.
"features " * If you want features not available for free, then you have to pay. However, I do not see what good those features would do.

@advanced_boi said ^

i rreally love chesslayz.ai but it seems very expensive

Using AI is expensive. Developing AI application tends to be expensive. So how exactly you expect someone to offer this for free? Mostly likely it will very hard to make end meet with this service.

Lichess is free is choose it to be free but that is based some part of users donating money. Servers are not free and there are few people who receive pay from lichess. Fairly sure there are other cost like auditing as well.

Building community around LLM + chess engine analysis is hardly a thing around which you can build community big enough to run on on donations.

@advanced_boi said [^](/forum/redirect/post/QSDViZKk) > i rreally love chesslayz.ai but it seems very expensive Using AI is expensive. Developing AI application tends to be expensive. So how exactly you expect someone to offer this for free? Mostly likely it will very hard to make end meet with this service. Lichess is free is choose it to be free but that is based some part of users donating money. Servers are not free and there are few people who receive pay from lichess. Fairly sure there are other cost like auditing as well. Building community around LLM + chess engine analysis is hardly a thing around which you can build community big enough to run on on donations.

@petri999 said ^

i rreally love chesslayz.ai but it seems very expensive

Using AI is expensive. Developing AI application tends to be expensive. So how exactly you expect someone to offer this for free? Mostly likely it will very hard to make end meet with this service.

Lichess is free is choose it to be free but that is based some part of users donating money. Servers are not free and there are few people who receive pay from lichess. Fairly sure there are other cost like auditing as well.

Building community around LLM + chess engine analysis is hardly a thing around which you can build community big enough to run on on donations.

any cheper ones like under/around 30 bucks per year that woule be good? cheaalyz.ai is veryyy good but yeah its 40 bucks.year which i really cant do

@petri999 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/UDL0ekcn) > > i rreally love chesslayz.ai but it seems very expensive > > Using AI is expensive. Developing AI application tends to be expensive. So how exactly you expect someone to offer this for free? Mostly likely it will very hard to make end meet with this service. > > Lichess is free is choose it to be free but that is based some part of users donating money. Servers are not free and there are few people who receive pay from lichess. Fairly sure there are other cost like auditing as well. > > Building community around LLM + chess engine analysis is hardly a thing around which you can build community big enough to run on on donations. any cheper ones like under/around 30 bucks per year that woule be good? cheaalyz.ai is veryyy good but yeah its 40 bucks.year which i really cant do

ChessBase software is clearly ten times better than lichess and your favorite one. It's affordable and you only have to pay once. Own it forever.

ChessBase software is clearly ten times better than lichess and your favorite one. It's affordable and you only have to pay once. Own it forever.

Exactly what argument does the OP press on to say that he likes that site?

Exactly what argument does the OP press on to say that he likes that site?

@Himawari_Nohara said ^

Exactly what argument does the OP press on to say that he likes that site?

um it helps me annotate my games thst why i love chessalyz, you mentioned chessbase yes iits in my bucket list to buy that, but i guess ai chess features which ehelp you improve yiour games dosent exsist cheaply as petri mentioned

@Himawari_Nohara said [^](/forum/redirect/post/0ZqdTIBN) > Exactly what argument does the OP press on to say that he likes that site? um it helps me annotate my games thst why i love chessalyz, you mentioned chessbase yes iits in my bucket list to buy that, but i guess ai chess features which ehelp you improve yiour games dosent exsist cheaply as petri mentioned

I'll be honest that I'm rather baffled why anyone would want to use Chessalyz.ai but I haven't used it so I could be missing something.

However if wanting to have a database then ChessBase is usually recommendation and if wanting a free alternative then it's SCID.

While I may be prejudiced reason I would assume it's useless is cause it has the .ai at the end. The problem is that LLMs aren't great at chess with many of them even cheating. If you're using an engine like Stockfish and then AI just translates it into words then it's a second hand source rather than getting direct engine line. In terms of business model it's also really inefficient since you don't benefit from economies of scale like in normal software as token cost per query is a fixed cost.

Just based on rough description it look like a site where they've tried to cram AI into it, added a few features that sound nice but in practice will have little benefit to OP's chess improvement. If a feature was genuinely useful it would be added to sites like Lichess and Chess.com that would cost a fraction of the price.

I'll be honest that I'm rather baffled why anyone would want to use Chessalyz.ai but I haven't used it so I could be missing something. However if wanting to have a database then ChessBase is usually recommendation and if wanting a free alternative then it's SCID. While I may be prejudiced reason I would assume it's useless is cause it has the .ai at the end. The problem is that LLMs aren't great at chess with many of them even cheating. If you're using an engine like Stockfish and then AI just translates it into words then it's a second hand source rather than getting direct engine line. In terms of business model it's also really inefficient since you don't benefit from economies of scale like in normal software as token cost per query is a fixed cost. Just based on rough description it look like a site where they've tried to cram AI into it, added a few features that sound nice but in practice will have little benefit to OP's chess improvement. If a feature was genuinely useful it would be added to sites like Lichess and Chess.com that would cost a fraction of the price.

I like the Maia Chess website. You can even sign in with your Lichess account. In the Lichess security settings it says a "Third party application using only public data." If it's public data, than why sign in? Well I signed in to discover I get a rating on their site. It looks very pretty, but the full analysis takes allot of time, but worth it. The Moves by rating graph is fascinating. While it's analyzing, it gives me some time to think about those candidate moves. You can also use the engine on other chess gui. https://github.com/CSSLab/maia3

A player has to decide what they actually want.

If you want a sparring partner or opponent that plays like a human, then Maia Chess is a great choice. It's a neural network trained on human games using the AlphaZero/Leela Chess Zero (Lc0) framework.

If you're looking for a post-game AI coach, that's a different category. Those tools are more likely to combine a large language model (LLM) with traditional chess engines such as Stockfish to explain ideas, mistakes, and plans.

The difficult part is searching for something when you don't even know it exists. Many services also require payment or an account before you can see what they offer or try them yourself.

It's a bit like buying a car based only on specifications without ever seeing it or taking it for a test drive. We don't have sonar to discover everything that's out there. Sometimes it feels like searching for a needle in a haystack.

Compared by AI :

Maia Chess: "Play and learn against an AI that thinks like a human."
Nova Chess: "Use AI to explain, analyze, and improve your chess after the game."
Chessalyz: "Analyze, reflect, and build better thinking habits with an AI coach that asks questions instead of just showing engine lines."

But the AI never played the sites, you have to personally test them out your self to see which fits your needs best.

There is also Dala bots on lichess, but I was not able to get their chess insights. Maybe because there was not enough games played. It would of been interesting to compare between maia chess insights and those of Dala.

https://lichess.org/@/dala-700
https://lichess.org/@/dala-900
https://lichess.org/@/dala-1100
https://lichess.org/@/dala-1600
https://lichess.org/@/dala-2000
https://github.com/hrschubert/dala-training

I have this installed on my computer and the search results say:
"scidCommunity: A highly active open-source fork with seamless Lichess and Chess.com integration, enhanced engine controls, and deep tree views." https://github.com/whelanh/scidCommunity

This is great too:
https://encroissant.org/

I like the Maia Chess website. You can even sign in with your Lichess account. In the Lichess security settings it says a "Third party application using only public data." If it's public data, than why sign in? Well I signed in to discover I get a rating on their site. It looks very pretty, but the full analysis takes allot of time, but worth it. The Moves by rating graph is fascinating. While it's analyzing, it gives me some time to think about those candidate moves. You can also use the engine on other chess gui. https://github.com/CSSLab/maia3 A player has to decide what they actually want. If you want a sparring partner or opponent that plays like a human, then Maia Chess is a great choice. It's a neural network trained on human games using the AlphaZero/Leela Chess Zero (Lc0) framework. If you're looking for a post-game AI coach, that's a different category. Those tools are more likely to combine a large language model (LLM) with traditional chess engines such as Stockfish to explain ideas, mistakes, and plans. The difficult part is searching for something when you don't even know it exists. Many services also require payment or an account before you can see what they offer or try them yourself. It's a bit like buying a car based only on specifications without ever seeing it or taking it for a test drive. We don't have sonar to discover everything that's out there. Sometimes it feels like searching for a needle in a haystack. Compared by AI : Maia Chess: "Play and learn against an AI that thinks like a human." Nova Chess: "Use AI to explain, analyze, and improve your chess after the game." Chessalyz: "Analyze, reflect, and build better thinking habits with an AI coach that asks questions instead of just showing engine lines." But the AI never played the sites, you have to personally test them out your self to see which fits your needs best. There is also Dala bots on lichess, but I was not able to get their chess insights. Maybe because there was not enough games played. It would of been interesting to compare between maia chess insights and those of Dala. https://lichess.org/@/dala-700 https://lichess.org/@/dala-900 https://lichess.org/@/dala-1100 https://lichess.org/@/dala-1600 https://lichess.org/@/dala-2000 https://github.com/hrschubert/dala-training I have this installed on my computer and the search results say: "scidCommunity: A highly active open-source fork with seamless Lichess and Chess.com integration, enhanced engine controls, and deep tree views." https://github.com/whelanh/scidCommunity This is great too: https://encroissant.org/

so in simple youre tryna convey , chessalyz.ai uses AI and ai Is bad at chess so it is bad platform correct me if i am wrong pls

so in simple youre tryna convey , chessalyz.ai uses AI and ai Is bad at chess so it is bad platform correct me if i am wrong pls