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Don't think I've ever experienced the cognitive dissonance that I go through regarding Hans Niemann.

@mkubecek said ^

The chess speaks for itself.

It does... And while Hans Niemann is certainly one of elite players, insisting that it's only matter of time before he becomes a world champion is one of the things that make people dislike him.

Saying you will be World Champion is fine. Why should people pretend? That's just silly false humility. Plus no ones getting hurt. Only people getting hurt are the ones choosing to get offended.

@RuyLopez1000 said ^

Hans Niemann has charisma in my opinion. He speaks out against bad things like gambling and corporations trying to strongarm the chess word.

That has nothing to do with charisma. Charisma is what makes people like someone on emotional level. What you mention in the second sentence may make (some) people like him on rational level. Unfortunately he also does and says a lot of things that make other people dislike him for rational reasons.

Even on an emotional level he has charisma in my opinion.

@mkubecek said [^](/forum/redirect/post/e8sAdCti) > > The chess speaks for itself. > > It does... And while Hans Niemann is certainly one of elite players, insisting that it's only matter of time before he becomes a world champion is one of the things that make people dislike him. Saying you will be World Champion is fine. Why should people pretend? That's just silly false humility. Plus no ones getting hurt. Only people getting hurt are the ones choosing to get offended. > @RuyLopez1000 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/bCCQ33ew) > > Hans Niemann has charisma in my opinion. He speaks out against bad things like gambling and corporations trying to strongarm the chess word. > > That has nothing to do with charisma. Charisma is what makes people like someone on emotional level. What you mention in the second sentence may make (some) people like him on rational level. Unfortunately he also does and says a lot of things that make other people dislike him for rational reasons. Even on an emotional level he has charisma in my opinion.

@IamNOTamod said ^

“Did Niemann cheat?”

He admitted to doing so in online chess. In Sinquefield though, the verdict is grey.

Four years ago the situation looked less clear, but nowadays vast majority of GMs believe that Hans was playing fair in the Sinquefield Cup and that he is simply a very strong player. He has proven it many times since then.

@IamNOTamod said [^](/forum/redirect/post/EMcBdTBB) > “Did Niemann cheat?” > > He admitted to doing so in online chess. In Sinquefield though, the verdict is grey. Four years ago the situation looked less clear, but nowadays vast majority of GMs believe that Hans was playing fair in the Sinquefield Cup and that he is simply a very strong player. He has proven it many times since then.

Not sure what the heck "cognitive dissonance" is. The guy's clearly a bit of a nut though.

Not sure what the heck "cognitive dissonance" is. The guy's clearly a bit of a nut though.

@MrPushwood said ^

Not sure what the heck "cognitive dissonance" is. The guy's clearly a bit of a nut though.

I assume you're referring to Niemann. Why do you think that he is 'clearly a bit of a nut though'?

@MrPushwood said [^](/forum/redirect/post/qEhMck4i) > Not sure what the heck "cognitive dissonance" is. The guy's clearly a bit of a nut though. I assume you're referring to Niemann. Why do you think that he is 'clearly a bit of a nut though'?

"Or in a dark hotel room with clothes all over the floor and empty UberEats packages"

Who's never been there?

"Or in a dark hotel room with clothes all over the floor and empty UberEats packages" Who's never been there?

@ILikeBlitz said ^

“Did Niemann cheat?”

He admitted to doing so in online chess. In Sinquefield though, the verdict is grey.

Four years ago the situation looked less clear, but nowadays vast majority of GMs believe that Hans was playing fair in the Sinquefield Cup and that he is simply a very strong player. He has proven it many times since then.

yes but ... still can't forget that he cheated so much online.

@ILikeBlitz said [^](/forum/redirect/post/ynnabZuq) > > “Did Niemann cheat?” > > > > He admitted to doing so in online chess. In Sinquefield though, the verdict is grey. > > Four years ago the situation looked less clear, but nowadays vast majority of GMs believe that Hans was playing fair in the Sinquefield Cup and that he is simply a very strong player. He has proven it many times since then. yes but ... still can't forget that he cheated so much online.

@Cedur216 said ^

“Did Niemann cheat?”

He admitted to doing so in online chess. In Sinquefield though, the verdict is grey.

Four years ago the situation looked less clear, but nowadays vast majority of GMs believe that Hans was playing fair in the Sinquefield Cup and that he is simply a very strong player. He has proven it many times since then.

yes but ... still can't forget that he cheated so much online.

The problem is that Hans Niemann isn't the only top player with two bans, there's at least one more case. I believe that some top players were banned wrongly when they were very young, underrated and unknown, but I also believe that a majority of the bans were correct. In particular, if someone was banned twice, it makes a lot of sense to believe that at least one of the bans was correct. Hans was publicly portrayed as a bad guy. I certainly don't intend to defend cheating, but the online cheating of Hans has been extensively discussed, which was unproportional compared to other cases.
Even some of my numerous friends have been banned once. (In a majority of cases correctly, sometimes probably mistakenly.) I'm clearly against cheating, but you usually don't start to dislike long-time friends after learning that they probably did something wrong several years ago.
You wrote that Hans cheated so much online. ChessCOM estimated it as hundred games back then, but I'm wondering how could such an estimation be deduced from the data with sufficient reliability. There're many cases when cheaters get banned too late or when fair players get banned by mistake (and then often appeal successfully, but sometimes not), so even deciding whether cheating took place or not is far from trivial. I have no idea in how many online games Hans cheated years ago, but even if the published estimation were correct, it would be extremely hard to prove its correctness.

@Cedur216 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/29DIe24c) > > > “Did Niemann cheat?” > > > > > > He admitted to doing so in online chess. In Sinquefield though, the verdict is grey. > > > > Four years ago the situation looked less clear, but nowadays vast majority of GMs believe that Hans was playing fair in the Sinquefield Cup and that he is simply a very strong player. He has proven it many times since then. > > yes but ... still can't forget that he cheated so much online. The problem is that Hans Niemann isn't the only top player with two bans, there's at least one more case. I believe that some top players were banned wrongly when they were very young, underrated and unknown, but I also believe that a majority of the bans were correct. In particular, if someone was banned twice, it makes a lot of sense to believe that at least one of the bans was correct. Hans was publicly portrayed as a bad guy. I certainly don't intend to defend cheating, but the online cheating of Hans has been extensively discussed, which was unproportional compared to other cases. Even some of my numerous friends have been banned once. (In a majority of cases correctly, sometimes probably mistakenly.) I'm clearly against cheating, but you usually don't start to dislike long-time friends after learning that they probably did something wrong several years ago. You wrote that Hans cheated so much online. ChessCOM estimated it as hundred games back then, but I'm wondering how could such an estimation be deduced from the data with sufficient reliability. There're many cases when cheaters get banned too late or when fair players get banned by mistake (and then often appeal successfully, but sometimes not), so even deciding whether cheating took place or not is far from trivial. I have no idea in how many online games Hans cheated years ago, but even if the published estimation were correct, it would be extremely hard to prove its correctness.