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Fun fact about queen odds games

Did you know in the Lichess database, for games with queen odds the side benefiting from the queen odds usually loses? Note that this does not include "from position" challenges, most have the moves 1 Nf3 Nf6 2 Ng1 Ne4 (or Nd5) 3 Nf3 Nc3 4 Ng1 Nxd1, and then the black knight returns and they start to play. Screenshot 2026-09-21 4.19.22 PM.png
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Did you know in the Lichess database, for games with queen odds the side benefiting from the queen odds usually loses? Note that this does not include "from position" challenges, most have the moves 1 Nf3 Nf6 2 Ng1 Ne4 (or Nd5) 3 Nf3 Nc3 4 Ng1 Nxd1, and then the black knight returns and they start to play. ![Screenshot 2026-09-21 4.19.22 PM.png](https://image.lichess1.org/display?fmt=png&h=0&op=resize&path=iQEOx0ScTGat.png&w=864&sig=dcf51bf8564291787d2d6264beb9d3f6dc4aeedc) ![Screenshot 2026-09-21 4.19.11 PM.png](https://image.lichess1.org/display?fmt=png&h=0&op=resize&path=DjOHlS97Ucx5.png&w=864&sig=55874d8d05aa4495994d610baeaa3fc72020ee4e)

@Royals_Fan22 said ^

Did you know in the Lichess database, for games with queen odds the side benefiting from the queen odds usually loses? Note that this does not include "from position" challenges, most have the moves 1 Nf3 Nf6 2 Ng1 Ne4 (or Nd5) 3 Nf3 Nc3 4 Ng1 Nxd1, and then the black knight returns and they start to play. ![Screenshot 2026-09-21 4.19.22 PM.png](https://image.lichess1.org/display?fmt=png&h=0&op=re...

I literally don’t get how people blunder when they’re up a full queen.
I even played against Stockfish 8 with queen odds and still won.

@Royals_Fan22 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/ucptGZGm) > Did you know in the Lichess database, for games with queen odds the side benefiting from the queen odds usually loses? Note that this does not include "from position" challenges, most have the moves 1 Nf3 Nf6 2 Ng1 Ne4 (or Nd5) 3 Nf3 Nc3 4 Ng1 Nxd1, and then the black knight returns and they start to play. ![Screenshot 2026-09-21 4.19.22 PM.png](https://image.lichess1.org/display?fmt=png&h=0&op=re... I literally don’t get how people blunder when they’re up a full queen. I even played against Stockfish 8 with queen odds and still won.

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