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is the ruy lopez breyer the most closed classical opening ?

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Other subvariations of the Closed Ruy Lopez can lead to a similar pawn structure, such as the Chigorin Defense in the famous game below.

https://lichess.org/game/LExVAxta#46

Or the Smyslov Defense, see this game where White resigned with a full board.

Other subvariations of the Closed Ruy Lopez can lead to a similar pawn structure, such as the Chigorin Defense in the famous game below. https://lichess.org/game/LExVAxta#46 Or the Smyslov Defense, see [this game](https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1264288) where White resigned with a full board.

@zwenna said ^

Other subvariations of the Closed Ruy Lopez can lead to a similar pawn structure, such as the Chigorin Defense in the famous game below.

https://lichess.org/game/LExVAxta#46

Or the Smyslov Defense, see this game where White resigned with a full board.

whats your opinion on these kind of super closed positions ? , i like the slow maneuvering of the pieces , but i also like open positions

@zwenna said [^](/forum/redirect/post/Y651Tdpl) > Other subvariations of the Closed Ruy Lopez can lead to a similar pawn structure, such as the Chigorin Defense in the famous game below. > > https://lichess.org/game/LExVAxta#46 > > Or the Smyslov Defense, see [this game](https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1264288) where White resigned with a full board. whats your opinion on these kind of super closed positions ? , i like the slow maneuvering of the pieces , but i also like open positions

For an aggresive player, like me, open positions have more advantage to me. Because you can create a very big push when the position is open. But if it's closed, you have to find a way to open up a void in the king or queenside.

To sum up, I like open positions but close positions are not bad too.

For an aggresive player, like me, open positions have more advantage to me. Because you can create a very big push when the position is open. But if it's closed, you have to find a way to open up a void in the king or queenside. To sum up, I like open positions but close positions are not bad too.

The King's Indian can be quite closed too, e.g.

https://lichess.org/game/yHFVRJwP#48

The King's Indian can be quite closed too, e.g. https://lichess.org/game/yHFVRJwP#48

@tpr said ^

The King's Indian can be quite closed too, e.g.

https://lichess.org/game/yHFVRJwP#48

i meant classical openings where both players ocupy the center with pawns for example e4 e5

@tpr said [^](/forum/redirect/post/MtyJV36q) > The King's Indian can be quite closed too, e.g. > https://lichess.org/game/yHFVRJwP#48 i meant classical openings where both players ocupy the center with pawns for example e4 e5

Here they do: 4 e4, 6...e5.

Here they do: 4 e4, 6...e5.

Sometimes "Ruy Lopez: Closed, Keres Defense" can lead to closed middlegame. If you can't break the wall, you'll see a closed endgame.
This is what I call breaking the wall:

https://lichess.org/game/qw63AUSJ#50

Black got timeout, but, the position is a little bit up for white.

Sometimes "Ruy Lopez: Closed, Keres Defense" can lead to closed middlegame. If you can't break the wall, you'll see a closed endgame. This is what I call breaking the wall: https://lichess.org/game/qw63AUSJ#50 Black got timeout, but, the position is a little bit up for white.