Stalling before Playing the First Move

@IamNOTamod said in #30:

said in #7:

Stalling is intentionally delaying or postponing something.

Deliberately waiting 10 or more seconds to start a game, regardless of motivation, is stalling.

Ah I see. So, you're right because you're right.

I'm right because words have meanings. Not a hard concept.

Nope. Search "what is stalling in chess". Though the phrasings may differ, the definition of stalling is intentionally drawing out the game WHEN ONE IS LOSING.

Because that is exactly the context in which this discussion was occurring. When you read my initial post, you thought I was talking about people intentionally drawing out the game when losing prior to making their first move.

That is what you thought? That is what you really thought? Right ...

No, just that your definition of stalling is wrong as one can't be losing before the first move. Stop twisting my words please.

It is not my definition of stalling. It is the standard English definition of the word. You introduced a chess specific term of art into the discussion in an attempt to conflate the issues when you knew for a fact that is not what I was talking about.

@KyoKushkin said in #31:

said in #7:

Stalling is intentionally delaying or postponing something.

Deliberately waiting 10 or more seconds to start a game, regardless of motivation, is stalling.

Ah I see. So, you're right because you're right.

I'm right because words have meanings. Not a hard concept.

Nope. Search "what is stalling in chess". Though the phrasings may differ, the definition of stalling is intentionally drawing out the game WHEN ONE IS LOSING.

Because that is exactly the context in which this discussion was occurring. When you read my initial post, you thought I was talking about people intentionally drawing out the game when losing prior to making their first move.

That is what you thought? That is what you really thought? Right ...

No, just that your definition of stalling is wrong as one can't be losing before the first move. Stop twisting my words please.

It is the standard English definition of the word.

Like I asked, which dictionary? WHERE does it give that definition? You're probably gonna gloss over this post again.

chess specific term

Well of course! We're talking about chess, aren't we? Or stalling could be "the overheating of an engine causing it to stop running".

@IamNOTamod said in #32:

said in #7:

Stalling is intentionally delaying or postponing something.

Deliberately waiting 10 or more seconds to start a game, regardless of motivation, is stalling.

Ah I see. So, you're right because you're right.

I'm right because words have meanings. Not a hard concept.

Nope. Search "what is stalling in chess". Though the phrasings may differ, the definition of stalling is intentionally drawing out the game WHEN ONE IS LOSING.

Because that is exactly the context in which this discussion was occurring. When you read my initial post, you thought I was talking about people intentionally drawing out the game when losing prior to making their first move.

That is what you thought? That is what you really thought? Right ...

No, just that your definition of stalling is wrong as one can't be losing before the first move. Stop twisting my words please.

It is the standard English definition of the word.

Like I asked, which dictionary? WHERE does it give that definition? You're probably gonna gloss over this post again.

Pick any dictionary you like. Believe it or not, I am not hoarding all the world's dictionaries. Use any terms you want: stalling, delaying, abstaining from play, waiting, etc. You are pedantically getting hung up on a word with a common meaning and now arguing about dictionaries because your entire goal was to pick a fight. You didn't object to the word, or the question asked, you objected to the fact that I posted something and you had to have your say. Do yourself a favor and block me.

@IamNOTamod said in #32:

Well of course! We're talking about chess, aren't we? Or stalling could be "the overheating of an engine causing it to stop running".

So you really thought in the context on my original post, I was talking about people delaying in a losing position? Obviously not. So why bring it up? To pick a fight, that's why.

The Lichess lag tester (available at https://lichess.org/lag) reports a connection latency of approximately 96ms, which is displayed as green, indicating a good connection.
However, the actual delay in seeing an opponent's move may appear significantly higher than this raw network ping. If a diagnostic tool fully measured the end-to-end process, it would likely reveal some additional delay, potentially due to some sort of processing loads or congestion beyond the simple ping value. Move transmission involves not only network latency but also client-side reaction, server validation, and rendering time.
Such delays are generally not intentional, though they could be in some cases. In my experience, there is typically at least a 2-second delay between when it becomes the opponent's turn and when their move appears on my board. Even when playing against a bot that should respond instantly (e.g., as soon as it is their turn), it often takes around 1 second for the move to register and appear.
This leads me to suspect that some users employing engines or bots intentionally add delays of more than 2 seconds to mimic natural human thinking time and avoid detection. Additionally, it seems unusual for an opponent's move to appear at the exact same moment the board loads, as this suggests unnaturally instantaneous play.

Grox said: Lichess games use persistent WebSockets over TLS. The connection (including handshake) is set up once when the game loads, then reused for all moves. Move messages are tiny and sent over this open channel, so the delay per move is essentially just the network round-trip time (RTT) plus minimal server processing (~10–20ms typically)

Gemini said: Even with this optimized script, if you still feel a 1-second delay, the culprit is likely Jitter (the variance between pings) or Browser Rendering. Jitter: If one ping is 96ms and the next is 400ms, your brain perceives the worst-case scenario. The Browser: On Linux, if "Hardware Acceleration" is disabled in Chrome/Brave, the CPU has to draw the chess pieces moving. This can add 100–300ms of "Input Lag" that has nothing to do with the network.

@ #1
it's especially unnerving in ultrabullet when that stalling takes longer than a game

Its true in ultra i face it most they try to catch you off guard

Sandbagging... and me aiming for novelty.

Maybe some can blame it on the internet....
https://youtu.be/GRQ77YDAhvU?si=8wW41uRa6UHWiSeI