one thing i noticed right now is that if one plays e6 one can later play d5 , if one plays e5 one needs later to play d6 so black ususally can only move one of the center pawn two squares ( besides d4 for example austrian defense ) so my question maybe was a bit stupid.
@lizani said [^](/forum/redirect/post/5JQQXFkJ)
> White is not the same as black.
> As white, why not occupy the centre by 1e4 or 1 d4? Yes, you can play 1 e3 but it's more passive. After 1 e3 e5 2 d4 exd4 3 exd4 d5 take a guess which opening you've landed in.
> As black, a move behind why not challenge the centre by 1 e4 e6 intending d5?
true but would it be the best move or would a more centre attacking move be better
what about the sicilian defense
no that wasnt ai and ya thats the reason e6 takes center with d5 as white has center a strike preparing but e3 is useless cus u can go d4 anyways an noone gonna take u but e6 to go d5 without take
1 e3 is fine. Nimzovich played it to win the 1929 Carlsbad Tournament.
Who said e4 e6 is not passive?
@IamNOTamod said [^](/forum/redirect/post/uuku2CX6)
> Who said e4 e6 is not passive?
i mean its a common opening at the top and sometimes even in computer chess we know there is no passivity in those places
There is a difference between, 'passive' and, 'defensive.'
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(@)tpr: '1 e3 is fine.' ~ Correct. 1. e3 takes good and bad things from 1. b3 and 1. Nf3.
A good thing: With 1. e3 instead of 1. b3, White keeps Qb3 possible, as well as the option of playing the Hedgehog's sister setup---1. e3 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Be2 Bf5 6. Qb3 Qc8 7. d3 c6 8. Bd2 Nbd7 9. Bc3 Bd6 10. Nbd2.
A good thing: By delaying Nf3, White keeps f4 as a possibility.
A bad thing: 1. e3 is less flexible than 1. Nf3, and it does not allow a quick Bb2 to take the diagonal before Black gets a chance to.
'Nimzovich played it to win the 1929 Carlsbad Tournament.' ~ A good player winning with a strategy does not mean that the strategy is good (or fine); it just means that they won with it. You could win a tournament with the Grob if you got lucky with your pairings, your opponents are a lot weaker, or you just played better than them.
Singular tournaments are different from consistent results that take decades to form.
Carlsbad 1929 was a top tournament.
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@shadow1414 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/SA3jhQHw)
> There is a difference between, 'passive' and, 'defensive.'
i agree
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