@tpr said in #10:
> That is neither harsh, nor a punishment. He manipulated the rating system, so he now plays without the rating system. Makes sense. It is a protective measure, no punishment
Tempory bad helps in that case. Or warning... But killing account i think that just kill interest to this game. I try him to play chess not mincraft or gta.
@tpr said in #10:
> That makes no sense at all. So you can do whatever you want and then a new account with a new email cleans it all.
The moderator said to do it. Not me. I said that i will not do it. The moderator chooses the punishment - ban - so be it. A boy of seven won't be bored for long. I'm merely questioning its proportionality and appropriateness.
Let him play on chess.com. Although it's pay to win, he can choose to start from 400/800/1200/1600.
"Tempory bad helps in that case." * He is not banned, he is banned from playing rated. That make sense.
"play chess" * He can still play chess, though not rated.
"The moderator said to do it." * That moderator is not smart. Your son illegally donated 250 rating to the rating pool. That is no big deal: thousands of players and games dilute that quickly. If your son were allowed to play rated again, then he probably would regain 250 rating from the rating pool and thus undo the 250 he illegally donated to the rating pool.
However, what that moderator said opens a backdoor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Bloodgood scheme. The moderator should not say or write that and lichess would better close that backdoor instead of suggesting to use it.
"The moderator chooses the punishment" * It is not punishment, it is a protective measure: play unrated if you manipulate rating.
"proportionality" * I think it is proportional: he can still play unrated.
"appropriateness" * I do not think it is appropriate. I would let him play rated and regain the 250 rating he shed. Then the small harm is undone.
>The moderator said to do it. Not me. I said that i will not do it. The moderator chooses the punishment - ban - so be it. A boy of seven won't be bored for long. I'm merely questioning its proportionality and appropriateness.
Well, actions have consequences. And these are not the worst consequences one might get.
Sin deserve dit
@saya812 said in #1:
> Hello!
> I registered my son a year ago; he was 6 years old at the time. Naturally, he was just starting his chess journey. Now he's seven. I logged into the game and saw that he was there, making a move and then resigning. Naturally, I called him and asked what was going on. He said that "it was too hard for him and he decided to lower his rating to make it easier to play." Naturally, I explained that firstly, it was stupid, and secondly, it was also "illegal"... Okay, he stopped doing it.
>
> A few hours passed, and he got a notification: "Player violated the rules." And a restriction on playing rated games. I appealed, apologized, and explained that it was just a silly thing, not intentional cheating. But no, they said that's it, make a new account with a new email...
>
> Explain to me please, what's the point of such a harsh punishment? Destroy his entire journey from the start...
Broke the rules? Broke them. That's it. Rules are made so that everyone follows them. And it will be a useful lesson for him for the future. That the rules must be followed completely.
@saya812 said in #1:
> Hello!
> I registered my son a year ago; he was 6 years old at the time. Naturally, he was just starting his chess journey. Now he's seven. I logged into the game and saw that he was there, making a move and then resigning. Naturally, I called him and asked what was going on. He said that "it was too hard for him and he decided to lower his rating to make it easier to play." Naturally, I explained that firstly, it was stupid, and secondly, it was also "illegal"... Okay, he stopped doing it.
>
> A few hours passed, and he got a notification: "Player violated the rules." And a restriction on playing rated games. I appealed, apologized, and explained that it was just a silly thing, not intentional cheating. But no, they said that's it, make a new account with a new email...
>
> Explain to me please, what's the point of such a harsh punishment? Destroy his entire journey from the start...
Did that kid go to jail?
@Inventor_1 said in #16:
> Broke the rules? Broke them. That's it. Rules are made so that everyone follows them. And it will be a useful lesson for him for the future. That the rules must be followed completely.
true a lesson
@saya812 said in #1:
> Hello!
> I registered my son a year ago; he was 6 years old at the time. Naturally, he was just starting his chess journey. Now he's seven. I logged into the game and saw that he was there, making a move and then resigning. Naturally, I called him and asked what was going on. He said that "it was too hard for him and he decided to lower his rating to make it easier to play." Naturally, I explained that firstly, it was stupid, and secondly, it was also "illegal"... Okay, he stopped doing it.
>
> A few hours passed, and he got a notification: "Player violated the rules." And a restriction on playing rated games. I appealed, apologized, and explained that it was just a silly thing, not intentional cheating. But no, they said that's it, make a new account with a new email...
>
> Explain to me please, what's the point of such a harsh punishment? Destroy his entire journey from the start...
If the kid is smart enough to know how to sandbag, I'm sure he can understand if you sit down with him and explain the ToS to him and the reasons for the various rules so he knows not only what they are but why they exist.
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