Premove buggy, cost me the game. Goooooood.

@Deadban said ^

Premoves are a bet: if you guess right you make a move without losing time, if you guess wrong you may lose worsen your position.

Chess is a game of logic, not bets.

Bet's should be reserved for Poker.

@forkedyourqueen said ^

Premoves are a bet: if you guess right you make a move without losing time, if you guess wrong you may lose worsen your position.

Chess is a game of logic, not bets.

Bet's should be reserved for Poker.

I'm nowhere good enough myself, but if you look at high level bullet games (and especially ultra-bullet) it's a different game to ordinary OTB chess. You do need to get skilled at guessing/betting/bluffing.

Having more pre-move options would be theoretically possible, but its all code that has to be checked, tested and maintained. And other people might want other options (e.g. conditional pre-moves "If he does ..Kh8, do Qh7", or pre-moving multiple-moves in advance) so you can see why it is like it is. Now that you know how it works, I doubt you will make the same mistake in future..

One could say that the OP was too focused on forking that queen...

@forkedyourqueen

Only you think that way. And it is very egocentric and wrong to think that a website used by millions should adopt their rules at your whim.

Bottom line: you don't speak for the majority, or for anyone at all.

For the same reason why making single-move threats isn't fruitful in anything but the purest of hopechess,
I don't think premoves should facilitate making single move capitalizations following pure blunders on part of the opponent.

The ecxeption is discovered captures, and it already works there.

Following the logical extention of your wish, should it be possible to premove captures on your own pieces where you would otherwise have to get your king out of a check?

Pure brass captures is already possible, and shouldn't be anything other than toying with an opponent trying to play to the effects of you running out of time.
A stretch, but possible.

To really change the dynamics, it would be possible to make moves on part of the opponent in their move, and then setting up ones own premoves as responses to as many combinations one can muster.

It is an interesting thought, and quite good for viewers of GM matces in ideally big events, where commentators then have more to work with.

Edit:
For premoves that aren't neccisarily a capture, the premove could use the colour of a regular move to that square, as opposed to the one for captures.

It is along the same line of help offered by given the available moves when lifting a piece.
A bit better for beginners, nothing that changes anything for those familiar to the game/platform.

@forkedyourqueen said ^

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Your premove doesn't work corrrectly, I premoved to TAKE the Queen, if the Queen moves from that position...

If you play a move to take a piece, example b5 queen, he can just play the queen when you fork. Also, why would you premove in a Blitz game especially you have 36 seconds on the clock?

Black takes my knight on f3 with their bishop. I will obviously take back so I premove Qxf3. But @forkedyourqueen's logic tells me that I premoved a capture of my own piece, which is illegal, so it shouldn't be executed ...

@IamNOTamod said ^

@forkedyourqueen

Only you think that way. And it is very egocentric and wrong to think that a website used by millions should adopt their rules at your whim.

Bottom line: you don't speak for the majority, or for anyone at all.

I suggested options for how that situation could be handled, the neurotic lens you're viewing my suggestion through creates a narrative where I wanted Lichess to switch everything over to my preference. Entirely not the case, merely a suggestion.

Also, you used the word rule very loosely, you meant design decision.

@Knakkert said ^

For the same reason why making single-move threats isn't fruitful in anything but the purest of hopechess,

Well I've certainly stirred up the Lichess community, but I appreciate the feedback (and the 3 losses) Knakkert

Factually, there are two ways to handle that situation. Option A and Option B, Lichess chose Option A. I merely suggested the user should be given the option to choose either A or B. As it's not a chess rule, but a UI choice.

@pcbpcb said ^

Premoves are a bet: if you guess right you make a move without losing time, if you guess wrong you may lose worsen your position.

Chess is a game of logic, not bets.

Bet's should be reserved for Poker.

I'm nowhere good enough myself, but if you look at high level bullet games (and especially ultra-bullet) it's a different gam...

I appreciate the balanced feedback pcbpcb, just what the forum is for. :)