Shadowban enhancement

I have a suggestion concerning the shadowban of cheaters.

As it stands, their account gets flagged (visible to other users but not to them), and they are relegated to a closed pool where they only play each other, but their rating will not change.

After a short while, the lack of change in rating becomes obvious to them, and they retreat their accounts.

So my question is simply, why not allow continued rating development for these accounts? It would keep those people "in the loop" for a much longer time.

Obviously their names shouldn't appear in the leader boards. Their presence on the server also should not affect the percentage value of players, like, a 2700 human player shouldn't be represented as being only in the 95th percentile just because there are plenty of confirmed cheaters ahead of them.

But as I understand, such distortions wouldn't occur anyway, as banned accounts likely don't count in the statistics.

I have a suggestion concerning the shadowban of cheaters. As it stands, their account gets flagged (visible to other users but not to them), and they are relegated to a closed pool where they only play each other, but their rating will not change. After a short while, the lack of change in rating becomes obvious to them, and they retreat their accounts. So my question is simply, why not allow continued rating development for these accounts? It would keep those people "in the loop" for a much longer time. Obviously their names shouldn't appear in the leader boards. Their presence on the server also should not affect the percentage value of players, like, a 2700 human player shouldn't be represented as being only in the 95th percentile just because there are plenty of confirmed cheaters ahead of them. But as I understand, such distortions wouldn't occur anyway, as banned accounts likely don't count in the statistics.

Glamorana

Deviuous!

Meerkatze

@Glamorana said ^

Deviuous!

You're right. On second thought, I also believe that this wouldn't be a good thing. Cheaters should come to understand that they did something wrong and that it's not tolerated, not be made to suffer unnecessarily.

It might also give the server a bad name, as plenty of shadowbanned people would flood websites like Reddit, Twitter etc., and complain about how everyone ELSE on Lichess is cheating.

@Glamorana said [^](/forum/redirect/post/JEzBdeH1) > Deviuous! You're right. On second thought, I also believe that this wouldn't be a good thing. Cheaters should come to understand that they did something wrong and that it's not tolerated, not be made to suffer unnecessarily. It might also give the server a bad name, as plenty of shadowbanned people would flood websites like Reddit, Twitter etc., and complain about how everyone ELSE on Lichess is cheating.

Glamorana

You're probably right. I actually liked the deviousness of your idea but maybe it was too much.

Lichess is a serious org after all...

You're probably right. I actually liked the deviousness of your idea but maybe it was too much. Lichess is a serious org after all...

Rookitiki

The reason why they haven’t implemented fake rating for cheaters might be very trivial.

They came up with the shadow bans at least 9 y ago (i remember the 2017 interview). Fake rating is the natural evolution. Seems unlikely they haven’t thought about it.

Theres nothing devious about it imho. You wanna play like a computer? Have some of that. I see it more along the lines of waste of resources (Time, electricity) and lack of other development. the cheater doesn’t develop as a human and a chess player and the Lichess devs probably have cool stuff for the non-cheaters to create instead. The reason why they haven’t implemented fake rating for cheaters might be very trivial. They came up with the shadow bans at least 9 y ago (i remember the 2017 interview). Fake rating is the natural evolution. Seems unlikely they haven’t thought about it.