Do you believe in these myths and superstitions?

I think swallowing the trendy myths of leftie politics is quite unlucky.

But there's plenty of sound reasoning behind that thought. Fostering illogical fear and anger and dismantling centuries-old institutions rarely brings good fortune. To the contrary, no matter how many "celebrities" or "influencers" decide to lecture us to the contrary.

Admittedly, however, it might bring good fortune to...

I think swallowing the trendy myths of rightie politics is quite unlucky.

But there's plenty of sound reasoning behind that thought. Fostering illogical fear and anger and dismantling centuries-old institutions rarely brings good fortune. To the contrary, no matter how many "celebrities" or "influencers" decide to lecture us to the contrary.

Admittedly, however, it might bring good fortune to some! Namely, those who gain power as a result.

Can you guess my point?

@Noflaps said [^](/forum/redirect/post/gBacFRkf) > I think swallowing the trendy myths of leftie politics is quite unlucky. > > But there's plenty of sound reasoning behind that thought. Fostering illogical fear and anger and dismantling centuries-old institutions rarely brings good fortune. To the contrary, no matter how many "celebrities" or "influencers" decide to lecture us to the contrary. > > Admittedly, however, it might bring good fortune to... --- I think swallowing the trendy myths of rightie politics is quite unlucky. But there's plenty of sound reasoning behind that thought. Fostering illogical fear and anger and dismantling centuries-old institutions rarely brings good fortune. To the contrary, no matter how many "celebrities" or "influencers" decide to lecture us to the contrary. Admittedly, however, it might bring good fortune to some! Namely, those who gain power as a result. --- Can you guess my point?

be-kind-always

I believe my hogwarts letter will arrive soon. I believe a satyr will soon escort me to Camp Half-Blood, or maybe an elf will arrive and inform that I actually belong in the Lost Cities.

Coeus0224

@be-kind-always said ^

I believe my hogwarts letter will arrive soon. I believe a satyr will soon escort me to Camp Half-Blood, or maybe an elf will arrive and inform that I actually belong in the Lost Cities.

Sophie foster you are accepted to the lost cities

@be-kind-always said [^](/forum/redirect/post/piZNjHKl) > I believe my hogwarts letter will arrive soon. I believe a satyr will soon escort me to Camp Half-Blood, or maybe an elf will arrive and inform that I actually belong in the Lost Cities. Sophie foster you are accepted to the lost cities

be-kind-always

@Coeus0224 thank you Bronte. It's a dream come true!

Coeus0224

@be-kind-always said ^

@Coeus0224 thank you Bronte. It's a dream come true!

Your satyrs name is Grover

@be-kind-always said [^](/forum/redirect/post/53zdpQOo) > @Coeus0224 thank you Bronte. It's a dream come true! Your satyrs name is Grover

Firestar540

@be-kind-always said ^

I believe my hogwarts letter will arrive soon. I believe a satyr will soon escort me to Camp Half-Blood, or maybe an elf will arrive and inform that I actually belong in the Lost Cities.

Harry Potter reference
Percy Jackson reference
Idk the reference

Noflaps

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@what_game_is_this writes: "Can you guess my point?"

Why make anybody guess? What not just state your point clearly?

I suspect that you wish to say that there are myths on the Right, too.

No doubt. Nobody gets everything correct.

But here's what we CANNOT just wave away or miss (giggle): moderates and conservatives aren't trying to dismantle long-standing American or even European institutions.

No, I think that (when compared to many leftists) moderates and conservatives both tend to be quite different in many ways. For example, I think that:

Moderates and conservatives aren't eager to enlarge and then pack courts, so as unfairly to create rubber-stamps for one-party, autocratic rule. They've been in a position to do that before -- but didn't do it, and aren't calling for it. So, we don't need to guess.

They aren't trying to get rid of the Senate, or the Electoral College that prevents the entire nation from being run by a few big Blue cities that have done a sad job of running themselves.

They aren't trying to get rid of the current process of electing a president, and trying to get the president appointed by a government body instead of as is currently and long the case. In other words, they aren't ACTUALLY fighting against Democracy, like some leftists are.

They don't think showing identification to vote is some horrible burden beyond the capability of adults. They don't condescend and pretend that other sane adult citizens are incapable of identifying themselves. They realize that even getting into some Democrat events has required showing ID. How interesting, no?

Moderates and conservatives typically aren't trying to take away hard won and valued private insurance, at a replacement cost of literally TENS OF TRILLIONS -- a cost America cannot remotely afford (although that detail will seldom be mentioned, or perhaps even grasped, by many "influencers" who favor that dismantling).

They aren't trying to shut down growth industries and raise the cost of energy, especially in ways that weaken the US and strengthen geopolitical adversaries who sometimes give more lip-service than effort into trying to substitute renewables for alternatives like, say, burning coal.

They don't typically try to block or shut down refineries, causing shortages that raise diesel prices, sometimes by even more than happens from a mere rise in crude prices. They might even know of how HARD it is to get a new refinery built -- which is of far more consequence than many who complain about "gas prices" seem to grasp.

Indeed, they seem more likely to realize that problems getting refineries modernized and expanded might have a bigger impact on diesel prices than does crude oil prices.

They don't typically favor open borders that allow UNPLANNED tens of millions to flood in, putting upward pressure on rent and housing prices and on school systems and hospitals, causing increases in prices and government expenditures.

They aren't typically trying to create government stores, which might undersell and disadvantage small, local businesses --which might even put those local businesspeople OUT of business and thereafter limit choice for those in the neighborhood.

They aren't trying to build railroads for huge amounts of money that, after years of big expense haven't actually gone anywhere and don't seem likely to do so anytime soon, if ever.

They aren't trying to hamstring law enforcement in its efforts to enforce rational law that protects common citizens and helps to keep neighborhoods, and the country as a whole, safe.

They aren't complacently yawning when huge amounts of fraud, waste and abuse start to become obvious. They're working to eliminate such behavior.

They don't think that laws and borders are not to be honored or taken seriously.

They aren't typically hostile to Israel.

They aren't likely to call Israel (quite wrongly and weirdly) an "apartheid state" (since there is a substantial Arab voting contingent in Israel, and non-Jews have sat in the Israeli Knesset, beginning as long ago as 1949!).

Admittedly, they aren't as "fashionable," given that for a couple of decades kids have been exposed to viewpoints of many who are paid by government or by NGOs that depend on government funding. Many of such folks tend (suprise, surprise!) to think ever-more-powerful-and-funded government is just ... peachy!

So no -- if you point is "pot meet kettle," I must respond that moderates and conservatives are NOT just at parity with leftists, no matter who tells themselves, or others, otherwise.

No, we're NOT all the same when it come to valuing tried-and-true, checked-and-balanced American or even European institutions. We AREN'T all trying to establish a one-party, ever-more-powerful and controlling, ever expanding, ever-more-costly government.

I hope many will notice who is, though.

Thanks for giving me an opportunity to clarify! Well done!

I'll patiently await negative comments suggesting that I'm illogical or foolish. Or perhaps just some scornful emojis. Those responses suggest to me, unlike detailed, objective counterarguments, that I'm getting close to home base

@what_game_is_this writes: "Can you guess my point?" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why make anybody guess? What not just state your point clearly? I suspect that you wish to say that there are myths on the Right, too. No doubt. Nobody gets everything correct. But here's what we CANNOT just wave away or miss (giggle): moderates and conservatives aren't trying to dismantle long-standing American or even European institutions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, I think that (when compared to many leftists) moderates and conservatives both tend to be quite different in many ways. For example, I think that: Moderates and conservatives aren't eager to enlarge and then pack courts, so as unfairly to create rubber-stamps for one-party, autocratic rule. They've been in a position to do that before -- but didn't do it, and aren't calling for it. So, we don't need to guess. They aren't trying to get rid of the Senate, or the Electoral College that prevents the entire nation from being run by a few big Blue cities that have done a sad job of running themselves. They aren't trying to get rid of the current process of electing a president, and trying to get the president appointed by a government body instead of as is currently and long the case. In other words, they aren't ACTUALLY fighting against Democracy, like some leftists are. They don't think showing identification to vote is some horrible burden beyond the capability of adults. They don't condescend and pretend that other sane adult citizens are incapable of identifying themselves. They realize that even getting into some Democrat events has required showing ID. How interesting, no? Moderates and conservatives typically aren't trying to take away hard won and valued private insurance, at a replacement cost of literally TENS OF TRILLIONS -- a cost America cannot remotely afford (although that detail will seldom be mentioned, or perhaps even grasped, by many "influencers" who favor that dismantling). They aren't trying to shut down growth industries and raise the cost of energy, especially in ways that weaken the US and strengthen geopolitical adversaries who sometimes give more lip-service than effort into trying to substitute renewables for alternatives like, say, burning coal. They don't typically try to block or shut down refineries, causing shortages that raise diesel prices, sometimes by even more than happens from a mere rise in crude prices. They might even know of how HARD it is to get a new refinery built -- which is of far more consequence than many who complain about "gas prices" seem to grasp. Indeed, they seem more likely to realize that problems getting refineries modernized and expanded might have a bigger impact on diesel prices than does crude oil prices. They don't typically favor open borders that allow UNPLANNED tens of millions to flood in, putting upward pressure on rent and housing prices and on school systems and hospitals, causing increases in prices and government expenditures. They aren't typically trying to create government stores, which might undersell and disadvantage small, local businesses --which might even put those local businesspeople OUT of business and thereafter limit choice for those in the neighborhood. They aren't trying to build railroads for huge amounts of money that, after years of big expense haven't actually gone anywhere and don't seem likely to do so anytime soon, if ever. They aren't trying to hamstring law enforcement in its efforts to enforce rational law that protects common citizens and helps to keep neighborhoods, and the country as a whole, safe. They aren't complacently yawning when huge amounts of fraud, waste and abuse start to become obvious. They're working to eliminate such behavior. They don't think that laws and borders are not to be honored or taken seriously. They aren't typically hostile to Israel. They aren't likely to call Israel (quite wrongly and weirdly) an "apartheid state" (since there is a substantial Arab voting contingent in Israel, and non-Jews have sat in the Israeli Knesset, beginning as long ago as 1949!). Admittedly, they aren't as "fashionable," given that for a couple of decades kids have been exposed to viewpoints of many who are paid by government or by NGOs that depend on government funding. Many of such folks tend (suprise, surprise!) to think ever-more-powerful-and-funded government is just ... peachy! So no -- if you point is "pot meet kettle," I must respond that moderates and conservatives are NOT just at parity with leftists, no matter who tells themselves, or others, otherwise. No, we're NOT all the same when it come to valuing tried-and-true, checked-and-balanced American or even European institutions. We AREN'T all trying to establish a one-party, ever-more-powerful and controlling, ever expanding, ever-more-costly government. I hope many will notice who is, though. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to clarify! Well done! I'll patiently await negative comments suggesting that I'm illogical or foolish. Or perhaps just some scornful emojis. Those responses suggest to me, unlike detailed, objective counterarguments, that I'm getting close to home base

what_game_is_this edited

My point:
Low effort dig at the left.
Nothing not applicable to the right.

I am curious to how your latest
post is relevant to mine, and
to the thread.

It looks like a lot of diversion and deflection and distraction.

My point: Low effort dig at the left. Nothing not applicable to the right. I am curious to how your latest post is relevant to mine, and to the thread. It looks like a lot of diversion and deflection and distraction.

Noflaps

edited

I typically write -- and have just written -- many detailed paragraphs.

You responded briefly and, originally, rather vaguely.

But I'm the one putting in "low" effort? Oh. You're welcome to your opinion.

Any substantive, detailed response to my last very lengthy, immediately preceding post? That post mentioned a great many points of potential difference between many leftists and many moderates or conservatives. Which seems to directly respond to your implication of "pot meet kettle."

So, any careful refutations? Or just the fascinating suggestion that my own many definite and specific suggestions were "distraction" or "deflection" rather than responsive.

One-word, sweeping descriptions of my many specific suggestions aren't really rebuttals. Ironically, they seem more like brief deflections from them.

Readers can decide for themselves, though, of course.

I typically write -- and have just written -- many detailed paragraphs. You responded briefly and, originally, rather vaguely. But I'm the one putting in "low" effort? Oh. You're welcome to your opinion. Any substantive, detailed response to my last very lengthy, immediately preceding post? That post mentioned a great many points of potential difference between many leftists and many moderates or conservatives. Which seems to directly respond to your implication of "pot meet kettle." So, any careful refutations? Or just the fascinating suggestion that my own many definite and specific suggestions were "distraction" or "deflection" rather than responsive. One-word, sweeping descriptions of my many specific suggestions aren't really rebuttals. Ironically, they seem more like brief deflections from them. Readers can decide for themselves, though, of course.

what_game_is_this

You insinuate a lot all the time.
Isn't that fear mongering?

People may believe you all they want,
I will not let you distract me!

I have more meaningful and fun things to do!

You insinuate a lot all the time. Isn't that fear mongering? People may believe you all they want, I will not let you distract me! I have more meaningful and fun things to do!