I'm glad if you enjoy Germany. I won't pretend to be an expert in German conditions, @notsoneutral . Indeed, it tends to make me laugh when somebody in another country pretends to expertise about a nation in which they are not even a resident. (Although it happens a lot).
I'm really not concerned with your mentioned survey from 1999. Yes, much HAS changed in America since 1999, and not just some law! Perhaps if you lived in the U.S., you'd know that more clearly.
Inflation in America has cooled since hitting a 40-year high in 2022 (the middle of Biden's term). Right now, a fairly widespread economic stressor in America has been the start of student loan repayments.
Many students are finding that their MASSIVE college debt has become quite a burden. Let's hope they get sufficient benefit from it, shall we? Unfortunately, some once stylish degree majors don't seem to be entering a market clamoring for those learnings. Since many universities are quite liberal, and have large endowments, do you think they'll greatly reduce tuition now? The rapidly rising cost of tuition has been a marvel to watch over the years!
Indeed, tell many kids what tuition USED to be and they can't quite believe it! But borrowing for college seems to create very real, and often very large, debt. Even from state schools and schools run as "nonprofits." How strange, eh?
That doesn't seem terribly compassionate to me. But what do I know, eh? Yeah, I know I write "eh," a lot -- but I'm not Canadian (although I'm fond of maple syrup and hockey). I'm not sure I'd be wild about their health care system. But I won't firmly assume that, since I don't live there and could easily be wrong. And, hey, AI can sometimes be wrong, too!
My favorite Donald Jennifer's apologist derailed another conversation !
Nice Gish gallop session by the way ?! Enjoy monologuing from now on .
"Doctors overwhelmingly support a public healthcare system and the abolishment of private insurance,"
Grab one piece of news and draw an indisputable conclusion? No thanks. Most people DON'T want to give up their private insurance -- and don't want the LONG wait times that often come with government insurance.
And do you have data to the contrary?
Not true, its actually basically the most popularly supported issue in the entire US, even 49% of repubs support it
but getting into the White House or onto Air Force One is a privilege.
Not true - it violates the first amendment, mar-o-lago, sure, but the white house isn't a private dwelling - hence why even conservative networks like fox walked out when other networks were blocked, and why judges immediately ruled against Trump.
Here lets try some more statistics; I eagerly await your stats that support the superiority of the US system rather than a bunch of hearsay with no sources
Most expensive in the world by far - established
Highest rate of infant and maternal deaths - established
ranked 69th quality in the world - despite spending VASTLY more than other countries, and putting people in life long debt for care that is free in other 1st world countries
Go ahead, provide some statistics to back up your point
@Noflaps said [^](/forum/redirect/post/WlbpSOQR)
> "Doctors overwhelmingly support a public healthcare system and the abolishment of private insurance,"
>
> Grab one piece of news and draw an indisputable conclusion? No thanks. Most people DON'T want to give up their private insurance -- and don't want the LONG wait times that often come with government insurance.
And do you have data to the contrary?
https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2025/11/medicare-for-all-is-popular-even-when-put-up-against-attacks
Not true, its actually basically the most popularly supported issue in the entire US, even 49% of repubs support it
> but getting into the White House or onto Air Force One is a privilege.
Not true - it violates the first amendment, mar-o-lago, sure, but the white house isn't a private dwelling - hence why even conservative networks like fox walked out when other networks were blocked, and why judges immediately ruled against Trump.
Here lets try some more statistics; I eagerly await your stats that support the superiority of the US system rather than a bunch of hearsay with no sources
Most expensive in the world by far - established
Highest rate of infant and maternal deaths - established
ranked 69th quality in the world - despite spending VASTLY more than other countries, and putting people in life long debt for care that is free in other 1st world countries
Go ahead, provide some statistics to back up your point
All of those heavy metal musicians whipping their heads around in wild abandon - I wonder if they ever suffer from concussions...
Responding to you is not "derailing" the conversation, @notsoneutral. You are not the only one entitled to write, are you?
For those who prefer European or Canadian health care, by all means enjoy!
But I don't think any push poll explains to us why any Canadian would come to the U.S. and spend their own money, if American health care is so inferior. Or do you think AI was just wrong about that?
And you might ask many Americans if they really want to be stripped of their hard-won health insurance provided as a negotiated feature of their employment. You might be surprised. Especially when they know of the vastly increased tax burden that such a switch would entail. Few things are actually "free." I assume you're old enough to know that.
Former President Obama knew that would not be wildly popular for many -- indeed, in promoting his changes, didn't he carefully promise Americans that they could "keep their doctor" and "keep their health care plan" if they wanted to do so? Why would he say that, if he thought most Americans were just dying to lose their private health care plans? Obama is a pretty clever gentleman, and at least at the time I assume he was well informed.
Or did I just dream that. I do tend to have very vivid dreams! But, frankly, NOT about politicians.
I also wonder if some of the countries championed in this thread have quite the same challenges that America has. Have they taken on tens of millions (literally) of people, many of whom are in poverty, recently? And do you think that can affect both the cost of health care, the burdens on emergency rooms and upon the system generally?
Is Norway handling an enormous, recent influx of people many of whom are in poverty? Or is Norway rather difficult to simply walk into and stay? Do you know?
And do they have the same rates of obesity? Unfortunately, affluence tends to bring its own problems with it.
Perhaps the solution is to tax everybody enough to kill affluence? I guess that's the dream of many. But, needless to say, not of all.
@NeuralGnat said [^](/forum/redirect/post/JC90m0rk)
> All of those heavy metal musicians whipping their heads around in wild abandon - I wonder if they ever suffer from concussions...
or fluffy hair
@NeuralGnat said [^](/forum/redirect/post/JC90m0rk)
> All of those heavy metal musicians whipping their heads around in wild abandon - I wonder if they ever suffer from concussions...
Didn't that happen to Mustaine?
@kipel73 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/IYBXnJRb)
> > All of those heavy metal musicians whipping their heads around in wild abandon - I wonder if they ever suffer from concussions...
>
> or fluffy hair
Definitely happened to Mustaine
@clousems said [^](/forum/redirect/post/QtSx95YD)
> > All of those heavy metal musicians whipping their heads around in wild abandon - I wonder if they ever suffer from concussions...
>
> Didn't that happen to Mustaine?
>
> @kipel73 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/IYBXnJRb)
> > > All of those heavy metal musicians whipping their heads around in wild abandon - I wonder if they ever suffer from concussions......
I really know nothing about heavy metal music; I had to look up Mustaine on Wikipedia to see who he is.
Wikipedia had one applicable blurb: "In 2011, Mustaine said that his neck and spine condition, known as stenosis, was caused by many years of headbanging." So maybe not concussions, but it's still not a good practice. (I'm guessing that the head flailing is what's called 'headbanging?)
Here's a related reference from the Wikipedia article:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150223200338/http://wzlx.cbslocal.com/2011/11/07/ouch-headbanging-hurts/
That reference mentions some dude named Tom Araya: "It’s unlikely that Mustaine will ever headbang again or he could suffer the same fate as fellow “Big 4′′ friend, Tom Araya of Slayer. Araya has metal plates in his neck from headbanging for such a long period of time."
So I guess this "headbanging" really is risky business...
@NeuralGnat said [^](/forum/redirect/post/seHTSmnO)
> > > All of those heavy metal musicians whipping their heads around in wild abandon - I wonder if they ever suffer from concussions...
> >
> > Didn't that happen to Mustaine?
> >
> > @kipel73 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/IYBXnJRb)
> > > > All of those heavy metal musicians whipping their heads around in wild abandon - I wonder if they ever suffer from conc...
ai supports your statement that head banging is, in fact, what you described.
but metal plates? who knew it could be so dangerous.
@NeuralGnat said [^](/forum/redirect/post/seHTSmnO)
> > > All of those heavy metal musicians whipping their heads around in wild abandon - I wonder if they ever suffer from concussions...
> >
> > Didn't that happen to Mustaine?
> >
> > @kipel73 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/IYBXnJRb)
> > > > All of those heavy metal musicians whipping their heads around in wild abandon - I wonder if they ever suffer from conc...
Mustaine is the guy that wrote the song in this thread