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@TheMagnusAura said ^

@mooshi_magooshi How about creating a study in which you note down all your thoughts on the game? Then we can give you more useful tips – and, above all, there will be no ‘oh, I had thought of that, I just didn't mention it’.

Sorry but I can't help myself from calling it:
but do you really think that you are in any kind of a position to give advice to someone rated 2100-2200ish?

If so , what exactly would your "feedback" consist of?

You really need to be grounded when you talk to people on lichess. All the replies are appreciated, and you just can't oppress someone on the basis on elo. Some times, the key advice comes from the lesser known too.

If the user was actually competent to give any kind of useful advice he would have given some already (and I can bet my house on this) instead of reading some lecture out on how to start a post or a study..the game pgn was published and if the user had anything constructive to say he was more than welcome to actually post about it (which ofcourse , he didn't and I can bet money not about to btw).

@TheMagnusAura said [^](/forum/redirect/post/kTfUyHgw) > > > @mooshi_magooshi How about creating a study in which you note down all your thoughts on the game? Then **we** can give you more useful tips – and, above all, there will be no ‘oh, I had thought of that, I just didn't mention it’. > > > > Sorry but I can't help myself from calling it: > > but do you really think that *you* are in any kind of a position to give advice to someone rated 2100-2200ish? > > > > If so , what exactly would your "feedback" consist of? > > You really need to be grounded when you talk to people on lichess. All the replies are appreciated, and you just can't oppress someone on the basis on elo. Some times, the key advice comes from the lesser known too. If the user was actually competent to give any kind of useful advice he would have given some already (and I can bet my house on this) instead of reading some lecture out on how to start a post or a study..the game pgn was published and if the user had anything constructive to say he was more than welcome to actually post about it (which ofcourse , he didn't and I can bet money not about to btw).

But why include rating there? The point is not with elo anywhere. I am unsubscribing from this thread, nice talk.

But why include rating there? The point is not with elo anywhere. I am unsubscribing from this thread, nice talk.

@TheMagnusAura said ^

But why include rating there? The point is not with elo anywhere. I am unsubscribing from this thread, nice talk.

Ehh because derkleinejo long ago mentioned he is a 1500club player I guess thats a local chess federation rating (even that I doubt) and isn't even active whatsoever on lichess but last reported rating was something like 1799 rapid and 1300 bullet.
Honestly , what is a player thats rated hundreds of points lower about to contribute to someone ?
And if there really was something constructive to be said whats the point of reading out lectures instead of just presenting any constructive feedback?

@TheMagnusAura said [^](/forum/redirect/post/80d7EXU1) > But why include rating there? The point is not with elo anywhere. I am unsubscribing from this thread, nice talk. Ehh because derkleinejo long ago mentioned he is a 1500club player *I guess thats a local chess federation rating* (even that I doubt) and isn't even active whatsoever on lichess but last reported rating was something like 1799 rapid and 1300 bullet. Honestly , what is a player thats rated hundreds of points lower about to contribute to someone ? And if there really was something constructive to be said whats the point of reading out lectures instead of just presenting any constructive feedback?

In my opinion, you should try to avoid playing the Catalan as black since you're guaranteed to get slowly crushed unless you know the opening really well.

In my opinion, you should try to avoid playing the Catalan as black since you're guaranteed to get slowly crushed unless you know the opening really well.

@slimeychesspoo said ^

Sorry but I can't help myself from calling it:
but do you really think that you are in any kind of a position to give advice to someone rated 2100-2200ish?

If so , what exactly would your "feedback" consist of?

With comments like that, you're just making a fool of yourself. On the one hand, @TheMagnusAura has already mentioned that you don't necessarily have to be a "strong" player to be able to give good tips.

On top of that, I'm part of the youth coaching team at our club – which means I know what I'm talking about when it comes to teaching someone something in such a way that they remember it. In any case, ‘spoon-feeding’ someone the solution is not part of it.

By the way, you could have taken a look at my game history to see how ‘bad’ I actually am at chess ;)

Anyways, good luck on your lifelong chess and tolerance journey!

@slimeychesspoo said [^](/forum/redirect/post/AWG561D5) > Sorry but I can't help myself from calling it: > but do you really think that *you* are in any kind of a position to give advice to someone rated 2100-2200ish? > > If so , what exactly would your "feedback" consist of? With comments like that, you're just making a fool of yourself. On the one hand, @TheMagnusAura has already mentioned that you don't necessarily have to be a "strong" player to be able to give good tips. On top of that, I'm part of the youth coaching team at our club – which means I know what I'm talking about when it comes to teaching someone something in such a way that they remember it. In any case, ‘spoon-feeding’ someone the solution is not part of it. By the way, you could have taken a look at my game history to see how ‘bad’ I actually am at chess ;) Anyways, good luck on your lifelong chess and tolerance journey!

@Mrnameguy1234 said ^

In my opinion, you should try to avoid playing the Catalan as black since you're guaranteed to get slowly crushed unless you know the opening really well.

Haha fair enough. Any recommendations in particular?

@Mrnameguy1234 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/1qBsGHAT) > In my opinion, you should try to avoid playing the Catalan as black since you're guaranteed to get slowly crushed unless you know the opening really well. Haha fair enough. Any recommendations in particular?

@derkleineJo said ^

With comments like that, you're just making a fool of yourself. On the one hand, @TheMagnusAura has already mentioned that you don't necessarily have to be a "strong" player to be able to give good tips.

Then give the user some kind of feedback at least instead of giving some lecture

@derkleineJo said ^

On top of that, I'm part of the youth coaching team at our club – which means I know what I'm talking about when it comes to teaching someone something in such a way that they remember it. In any case, ‘spoon-feeding’ someone the solution is not part of it.

No it does not. Probably you were asked to do it because you noone else could be bothered and the kids you are working with don't have any kind of experience at all playing chess in which case virtually anyone can teach some fundamental basic things like say developing your pieces or controlling the center.

@derkleineJo said ^
By the way, you could have taken a look at my game history to see how ‘bad’ I actually am at chess ;)

You literally don't have any rated games played say the last year or so .
Unrated games don't mean anything at all because I know for fact people just slack around in them by trying obscure moves and openings and don't snap a finger. You have literally 5 rated games in the past 2 years.

@derkleineJo said [^](/forum/redirect/post/mRawdGsp) > With comments like that, you're just making a fool of yourself. On the one hand, @TheMagnusAura has already mentioned that you don't necessarily have to be a "strong" player to be able to give good tips. Then give the user some kind of feedback at least instead of giving some lecture @derkleineJo said [^](/forum/redirect/post/mRawdGsp) >On top of that, I'm part of the youth coaching team at our club – **which means I know what I'm talking about** when it comes to teaching someone something in such a way that they remember it. In any case, ‘spoon-feeding’ someone the solution is not part of it. No it does not. Probably you were asked to do it because you noone else could be bothered and the kids you are working with don't have any kind of experience at all playing chess in which case virtually anyone can teach some fundamental basic things like say developing your pieces or controlling the center. @derkleineJo said [^](/forum/redirect/post/mRawdGsp) By the way, you could have taken a look at my game history to see how ‘bad’ I actually am at chess ;) You literally don't have any rated games played say the last *year* or so . Unrated games don't mean anything at all because I know for fact people just slack around in them by trying obscure moves and openings and don't snap a finger. You have literally 5 rated games in the past 2 years.

@mooshi_magooshi said ^

In my opinion, you should try to avoid playing the Catalan as black since you're guaranteed to get slowly crushed unless you know the opening really well.

Haha fair enough. Any recommendations in particular?

The Kings Indian is always fun

https://lichess.org/study/sJVldGJL

@mooshi_magooshi said [^](/forum/redirect/post/eHUj8nsn) > > In my opinion, you should try to avoid playing the Catalan as black since you're guaranteed to get slowly crushed unless you know the opening really well. > > Haha fair enough. Any recommendations in particular? The Kings Indian is always fun https://lichess.org/study/sJVldGJL

I know I am not stronger, but do you play against the Catalan a lot? And do you agree with the people that stated it might have been bad to allow the c5 pawn such dominance? I see a lot of devolved comments where people are criticizing others for "lack of strength" or what have you, which is sad. Because they should be attacking the comments, not always the strength. I don't see anything productive in giving advice like, "Just use an engine!" which I saw an NM give that one. I was actually appalled by that. And then recommending creating as study? I thought that was disingenuous. If this topic got too big, I would suggest live interactions. Which I would support.

So anyway: I wanted to ask those two questions first and see what you are thinking. Personally I play classical with a semi-slav set up. I use to play like you, but I got a lot of positions like you did and I started not enjoying them. I have been getting more fun out of the slav type. Also There are some delayed open Catalans that are recommended by GM's like Sam Shankland that seem kind of fun. I think if you can effectively break in the center, you should be fine for the most part, but that seemed like that was part of the problem. You couldn't get any good pawn breaks.

I know I am not stronger, but do you play against the Catalan a lot? And do you agree with the people that stated it might have been bad to allow the c5 pawn such dominance? I see a lot of devolved comments where people are criticizing others for "lack of strength" or what have you, which is sad. Because they should be attacking the comments, not always the strength. I don't see anything productive in giving advice like, "Just use an engine!" which I saw an NM give that one. I was actually appalled by that. And then recommending creating as study? I thought that was disingenuous. If this topic got too big, I would suggest live interactions. Which I would support. So anyway: I wanted to ask those two questions first and see what you are thinking. Personally I play classical with a semi-slav set up. I use to play like you, but I got a lot of positions like you did and I started not enjoying them. I have been getting more fun out of the slav type. Also There are some delayed open Catalans that are recommended by GM's like Sam Shankland that seem kind of fun. I think if you can effectively break in the center, you should be fine for the most part, but that seemed like that was part of the problem. You couldn't get any good pawn breaks.

Also after I posted the last post I looked at something. At first I thought d5 was required, instead of Bc5, but the engine kind of hates that. And the only move in my "instinct" it liked was Qc7. I do like that and it feels like a type of Sicilian in that way. Did you consider that? And how often do you get into positions like this?

Also after I posted the last post I looked at something. At first I thought d5 was required, instead of Bc5, but the engine kind of hates that. And the only move in my "instinct" it liked was Qc7. I do like that and it feels like a type of Sicilian in that way. Did you consider that? And how often do you get into positions like this?

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