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@Chessy64 it would be a great rule if there weren't so much of a discrepance between theory and reality, as you can see from my rant

@Chessy64 it would be a great rule if there weren't so much of a discrepance between theory and reality, as you can see from my rant

@Chess_Player109 said in #53:

So, instead of lichess communication, why not have freechess where anybody can talk however they like?

because Lichess is supposed to be civilised and "family-friendly" and doesn't need to degenerate into the worst the internet has to offer.

@Chess_Player109 said in #53: > So, instead of lichess communication, why not have freechess where anybody can talk however they like? because Lichess is supposed to be civilised and "family-friendly" and doesn't need to degenerate into the worst the internet has to offer.

@Chessy64 said in #52:

We do not allow any behavior or content that discriminates, mocks, or promotes hatred against any individual or group; or encourages others to do so

great rule let not judge people who do bad things cause if you judge them that is discrimination that sounds like the perfect rule to have I think if someone does something wrong people should discriminate against what they did to show others it is not okay otherwise you are protecting people doing bad things. If there are no consequences for doing bad things then others would do the same things. and the funny thing is I cannot give an example as it would be naming and shaming XD

I think you are getting confused between moderation and discrimination...

@Chessy64 said in #52: > We do not allow any behavior or content that discriminates, mocks, or promotes hatred against any individual or group; or encourages others to do so > > great rule let not judge people who do bad things cause if you judge them that is discrimination that sounds like the perfect rule to have I think if someone does something wrong people should discriminate against what they did to show others it is not okay otherwise you are protecting people doing bad things. If there are no consequences for doing bad things then others would do the same things. and the funny thing is I cannot give an example as it would be naming and shaming XD I think you are getting confused between moderation and discrimination...

I think we need All -G to come in and make everyone a cup of 'erbal tea xxx

I think we need All -G to come in and make everyone a cup of 'erbal tea xxx

Here's my personal perspective on using time wisely in chess.

Sometimes, I have days where my chess performance isn't at its best, and I find myself struggling to make the right moves. This frustration sometimes leads me to use more of my clock time, not to disrespect my opponent, but simply to gather my thoughts and try to play better. For me, this isn’t about stalling or mocking the opponent - it's a personal issue where I'm trying to improve and find those "great" moves we all strive for.

I believe it's important to respect each player's right to use their clock time as they see fit. Just as I respect my opponent’s time management, I hope for the same understanding when I’m taking longer on a move. It’s not about the opponent’s move - it’s about finding my own best move in a challenging situation.

I think many beginners or those not fully confident in their chess abilities might feel similarly. When they make a mistake or feel overwhelmed, it can be easy to lose track of time while searching for a solution. This isn't about poor sportsmanship but about the psychological side of playing chess, especially when facing a strong opponent.

Personally, as I've gained more experience, these moments happen less frequently, but they still occur. For example, in a recent game, I spent a couple of minutes on my final move, hoping to find a way out of a tough situation. Unfortunately, I couldn’t, and I lost on time. But that time wasn’t wasted - it was an effort to improve, to find a move that could save the game.

I’m not a professional player, just a hobbyist who enjoys the game. I believe that chess, at any level, is about using your time to find the best possible moves, whether that takes seconds or minutes.

Here's my personal perspective on using time wisely in chess. Sometimes, I have days where my chess performance isn't at its best, and I find myself struggling to make the right moves. This frustration sometimes leads me to use more of my clock time, not to disrespect my opponent, but simply to gather my thoughts and try to play better. For me, this isn’t about stalling or mocking the opponent - it's a personal issue where I'm trying to improve and find those "great" moves we all strive for. I believe it's important to respect each player's right to use their clock time as they see fit. Just as I respect my opponent’s time management, I hope for the same understanding when I’m taking longer on a move. It’s not about the opponent’s move - it’s about finding my own best move in a challenging situation. I think many beginners or those not fully confident in their chess abilities might feel similarly. When they make a mistake or feel overwhelmed, it can be easy to lose track of time while searching for a solution. This isn't about poor sportsmanship but about the psychological side of playing chess, especially when facing a strong opponent. Personally, as I've gained more experience, these moments happen less frequently, but they still occur. For example, in a recent game, I spent a couple of minutes on my final move, hoping to find a way out of a tough situation. Unfortunately, I couldn’t, and I lost on time. But that time wasn’t wasted - it was an effort to improve, to find a move that could save the game. I’m not a professional player, just a hobbyist who enjoys the game. I believe that chess, at any level, is about using your time to find the best possible moves, whether that takes seconds or minutes.

@Chessy64 said in #52:

We do not allow any behavior or content that discriminates, mocks, or promotes hatred against any individual or group; or encourages others to do so

great rule let not judge people who do bad things cause if you judge them that is discrimination that sounds like the perfect rule to have I think if someone does something wrong people should discriminate against what they did to show others it is not okay otherwise you are protecting people doing bad things. If there are no consequences for doing bad things then others would do the same things. and the funny thing is I cannot give an example as it would be naming and shaming XD

This is not called discrimination but punishment. if a person acts badly, this person is therefore sufficiently toxic by their behavior in chat (insults, threats, spam) or in game (sandbagging, cheating). therefore to prevent this person from repeating it, measures must be taken to prevent them from continuing: a temporary or permanent ban can be undertaken. nevertheless Lichess leaves a possibility of "redemption" via the appeal system. Lichess does NOT release ANY information or publicly or privately shame players who have been banned.

@Chessy64 said in #52: > We do not allow any behavior or content that discriminates, mocks, or promotes hatred against any individual or group; or encourages others to do so > > great rule let not judge people who do bad things cause if you judge them that is discrimination that sounds like the perfect rule to have I think if someone does something wrong people should discriminate against what they did to show others it is not okay otherwise you are protecting people doing bad things. If there are no consequences for doing bad things then others would do the same things. and the funny thing is I cannot give an example as it would be naming and shaming XD This is not called discrimination but punishment. if a person acts badly, this person is therefore sufficiently toxic by their behavior in chat (insults, threats, spam) or in game (sandbagging, cheating). therefore to prevent this person from repeating it, measures must be taken to prevent them from continuing: a temporary or permanent ban can be undertaken. nevertheless Lichess leaves a possibility of "redemption" via the appeal system. Lichess does NOT release ANY information or publicly or privately shame players who have been banned.

@Apogee2022 said in #48:

You isnt get it they still in lichess but isnt playng and you cant chat them they from lichess so and they withaunt bot titul.

People can set their chat settings to not allow messages. They can also use kid mode to disable messages (at least I think that's how it works?).

People don't have to play on Lichess. They can stop playing as well. For example, I'm almost never playing on here nowadays except for the occasional bullet game now and then.

As to the "without bot title", not all people you think are bots might actually be bots. If you think someone is one, report them. But I can definitely assure you that Lichess is NOT hiding anything. :)

@Apogee2022 said in #48: > You isnt get it they still in lichess but isnt playng and you cant chat them they from lichess so and they withaunt bot titul. People can set their chat settings to not allow messages. They can also use kid mode to disable messages (at least I think that's how it works?). People don't have to play on Lichess. They can stop playing as well. For example, I'm almost never playing on here nowadays except for the occasional bullet game now and then. As to the "without bot title", not all people you think are bots might actually be bots. If you think someone is one, report them. But I can definitely assure you that Lichess is NOT hiding anything. :)

@Cedur216 said in #54:

Lichess actually does a great job of moderation in my opinion when it's not a political topic. Politics seems to be a place where Lichess is more likely to just let people say what they want to say. (Honestly, it's not "right", but I don't blame them...off-topic is a huge mess.)

@Cedur216 said in #54: > Lichess actually does a great job of moderation in my opinion when it's not a political topic. Politics seems to be a place where Lichess is more likely to just let people say what they want to say. (Honestly, it's not "right", but I don't blame them...off-topic is a huge mess.)

@greenteakitten said in #61:

Lichess actually does a great job of moderation in my opinion when it's not a political topic. Politics seems to be a place where Lichess is more likely to just let people say what they want to say. (Honestly, it's not "right", but I don't blame them...off-topic is a huge mess.)

From my observations, such discussions are always tricky and it is not just limited to Lichess. Reddit can also be a good example of this, although it's a bit different for Reddit since it has various sub-Reddits, each with its own rules and moderation.

Being too lenient raises the concern of allowing misinformation, propaganda, trolling, etc to spread. On the other hand, being too strict might lead to restricting freedom of speech, discourage voicing concerns and disagreements, echo chambers, and so on.

You can argue that in an ideal world, it should not be an issue if the discussion is done with openness and mutual respect. That may very well be true, but it's not an ideal world :) In a public forum, all kinds of people are there and engage with it. Which makes it very tricky and there is always a trade-off.

@greenteakitten said in #61: > Lichess actually does a great job of moderation in my opinion when it's not a political topic. Politics seems to be a place where Lichess is more likely to just let people say what they want to say. (Honestly, it's not "right", but I don't blame them...off-topic is a huge mess.) From my observations, such discussions are always tricky and it is not just limited to Lichess. Reddit can also be a good example of this, although it's a bit different for Reddit since it has various sub-Reddits, each with its own rules and moderation. Being too lenient raises the concern of allowing misinformation, propaganda, trolling, etc to spread. On the other hand, being too strict might lead to restricting freedom of speech, discourage voicing concerns and disagreements, echo chambers, and so on. You can argue that in an ideal world, it should not be an issue if the discussion is done with openness and mutual respect. That may very well be true, but it's not an ideal world :) In a public forum, all kinds of people are there and engage with it. Which makes it very tricky and there is always a trade-off.

@QueenRosieMary said in #56:

I think you are getting confused between moderation and discrimination...
@QueenRosieMary said in #55:
because Lichess is supposed to be civilised and "family-friendly" and doesn't need to degenerate into the worst the internet has to offer.
Bro I wanted to create a new website for uncivilized individuals lol let's do it.

@QueenRosieMary said in #56: > I think you are getting confused between moderation and discrimination... @QueenRosieMary said in #55: > because Lichess is supposed to be civilised and "family-friendly" and doesn't need to degenerate into the worst the internet has to offer. Bro I wanted to create a new website for uncivilized individuals lol let's do it.