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Ending the Boycott

Thank you for being so open and caring and consequential in dealing with the issues on such a global scale.
I am very impressed and you can be proud of being as fearless to involve yourself into such political behaviors for the benefit of humankind (especially minor or female chessplayers in this case, but more than that).
Yes, i see, that not everyone agrees, but i do!

Thank you for being so open and caring and consequential in dealing with the issues on such a global scale. I am very impressed and you can be proud of being as fearless to involve yourself into such political behaviors for the benefit of humankind (especially minor or female chessplayers in this case, but more than that). Yes, i see, that not everyone agrees, but i do!

As a recent lifetime patron I am happy that Lichess chose to protect women in our sport.
We all want more women in chess and for them to be safe and treated with respect.

A word to women: the number of weird and strange men appears to me to be higher among chess players and gamers than in the general population - so some of the unacceptable behavior may not be due to gender, but simply to miserable boys and men being present in our sport. This warning shall not be misconstrued to mean that any bad behavior is acceptable - to the contrary!
Chess, games and sports are supposed to be fun, safe with great communities.

As a recent lifetime patron I am happy that Lichess chose to protect women in our sport. We all want more women in chess and for them to be safe and treated with respect. A word to women: the number of weird and strange men appears to me to be higher among chess players and gamers than in the general population - so some of the unacceptable behavior may not be due to gender, but simply to miserable boys and men being present in our sport. This warning shall not be misconstrued to mean that any bad behavior is acceptable - to the contrary! Chess, games and sports are supposed to be fun, safe with great communities.

How did we get to the point where protecting women from assault is a partisan issue. If you think this is a left issue and not something that should transcend politics then we have seriously dehumanized certain groups

How did we get to the point where protecting women from assault is a partisan issue. If you think this is a left issue and not something that should transcend politics then we have seriously dehumanized certain groups

@loepare said in #38:

Precisely not, because Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan no longer exist.
Apart from that, the flag issue is a big topic that is constantly discussed both internally and in public, so I don't think it should be discussed in this particular forum.

Take a look at the allowed flags: Adygea, United Nations (not a country or a region), presence of Taiwan but not North Cyprus or Transnistria, etc. Even better: Russian blue-white-blue; Belarus red-white (certainly NOT countries or officially recognized flags).
Again -- bad argument on your end.
By the way, Imperial Japanese flag is still in use; it is an official flag of Japanese Navy and is a subject of international discussion; hence the example.
All I am trying to say -- you have a right to political positions, but do not pretend that you as organization represent a freedom of speech or are politically neutral.

@loepare said in #38: > Precisely not, because Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan no longer exist. > Apart from that, the flag issue is a big topic that is constantly discussed both internally and in public, so I don't think it should be discussed in this particular forum. Take a look at the allowed flags: Adygea, United Nations (not a country or a region), presence of Taiwan but not North Cyprus or Transnistria, etc. Even better: Russian blue-white-blue; Belarus red-white (certainly NOT countries or officially recognized flags). Again -- bad argument on your end. By the way, Imperial Japanese flag is still in use; it is an official flag of Japanese Navy and is a subject of international discussion; hence the example. All I am trying to say -- you have a right to political positions, but do not pretend that you as organization represent a freedom of speech or are politically neutral.

Bad faith comments here trying to frame child abuse prevention as "politics" that Lichess should stay out of. Gross. Thank you Lichess.

Bad faith comments here trying to frame child abuse prevention as "politics" that Lichess should stay out of. Gross. Thank you Lichess.

Lichess closed several people's accts. , canceled dozens of tourneys and events, and closed dozens of teams related to the Russian invasion. The statement is not the only action taken.

We have never claimed to be apolitical.

During covid discussions were allowed but spreading harmful misinformation wasn't. I am unaware of any French laws that would have related to site moderation decisions.

Lichess closed several people's accts. , canceled dozens of tourneys and events, and closed dozens of teams related to the Russian invasion. The statement is not the only action taken. We have never claimed to be apolitical. During covid discussions were allowed but spreading harmful misinformation wasn't. I am unaware of any French laws that would have related to site moderation decisions.

lichess was apolitical when it was only thibault coding a chess site. what you do in private is only your concern.

lichess was apolitical when it was only thibault coding a chess site. what you do in private is only your concern.

Again, the only argument I am making is that the holier-than-thou attitude of lichess ("Chess organisations have a moral, if not also a legal, duty to protect the welfare of players, volunteers, and officials attending, participating in, officiating, or spectating at their events.") is very, very selective. Effectively, lichess administrators position themselves as the ultimate arbiters of what is right and wrong, with these opinions not necessarily representative of the user body. What's more appalling, "We have never claimed to be apolitical." is not stated in the "About Us" page.

Just be honest -- add "Lichess does not claim to be an apolitical organization and may take a unilateral action against any organization and individual whose actions are deemed unacceptable to the Lichess administration." to the "About Us" page.

Do not write -- "With no investors demanding profits, Lichess staff can focus on improving the site as their only goal."
Apparently, as indicated by all these actions, promoting viewpoints of the administration is a goal as well.

Again, the only argument I am making is that the holier-than-thou attitude of lichess ("Chess organisations have a moral, if not also a legal, duty to protect the welfare of players, volunteers, and officials attending, participating in, officiating, or spectating at their events.") is very, very selective. Effectively, lichess administrators position themselves as the ultimate arbiters of what is right and wrong, with these opinions not necessarily representative of the user body. What's more appalling, "We have never claimed to be apolitical." is not stated in the "About Us" page. Just be honest -- add "Lichess does not claim to be an apolitical organization and may take a unilateral action against any organization and individual whose actions are deemed unacceptable to the Lichess administration." to the "About Us" page. Do not write -- "With no investors demanding profits, Lichess staff can focus on improving the site as their only goal." Apparently, as indicated by all these actions, promoting viewpoints of the administration is a goal as well.

@x_RantingPelican_x said in #50:

guys horsey is better

horsey image

react with horsey

I don't think it does anything with this conversation.

@x_RantingPelican_x said in #50: > guys horsey is better > > horsey image > > react with horsey I don't think it does anything with this conversation.