Pure Strategical Move, But

@kindaspongey said ^

... not matter of time I guess, You may see it from the start, by thinking some time( doesn't matter how long 5 sec or a minute) and find that move perpective strategicly, or not.

Well, I have to confess that, on my own, I would have been unlikely to spot the 7 Bxf7+ thing, with any amount of time available. However, for those who COULD work it out, I think that the chances ...

I m agreed , that wasting more time on that move theoreticly allows to see strategical idea behind it, but in the end it's a question of sense, not a mechanical flowing time, because if You re able to see idea behind it, of course You waste time needed on that, but in case You can't see it, You need a sense idea, not a time flow to think

@aVague said in #11:

... I m agreed , that wasting more time on that move theoreticly allows to see strategical idea behind it, but in the end it's a question of sense, not a mechanical flowing time, because if You re able to see idea behind it, of course You waste time needed on that, but in case You can't see it, You need a sense idea, not a time flow to think

Regardless of what you "need", I fear that there is no way to get "a sense idea" of the merit of 7 Bxf7+ without a willingness to devote time to the mental exploration of 7 Bxf7+ Kxf7 8 Ng5+ etc.

@kindaspongey said ^

... I m agreed , that wasting more time on that move theoreticly allows to see strategical idea behind it, but in the end it's a question of sense, not a mechanical flowing time, because if You re able to see idea behind it, of course You waste time needed on that, but in case You can't see it, You need a sense idea, not a time flow to think

Regardless of what you "need", I...

I don't think it's the right to explore that path, because I give 2 figures for rook and pawns, and that tactics doesn't brings more benefit , than possible strategical pressing after queen move. that branch not neccesary to calculate since it's very troublesome to realize 2 figures for rook and pawns advantage. it's a tactics without much strategical benefits. So again, I can not waste much time on that and try and see Strategical Idea straight away, and search for real tactics which serves common strategical idea

@aVague said in #13:

I don't think it's the right to explore that path, because I give 2 figures for rook and pawns, and that tactics doesn't brings more benefit , than possible strategical pressing after queen move. that branch not neccesary to calculate since it's very troublesome to realize 2 figures for rook and pawns advantage. it's a tactics without much strategical benefits. So again, I can not waste much time on that and try and see Strategical Idea straight away, and search for real tactics which serves common strategical idea

7 Bxf7+ Kxf7 8 Ng5+ Kg8 9 Ne6 Qe8 10 Nxc7 was not the best possibility for you.
7 Bxf7+ Kxf7 8 Ng5+ Kg8 9 Qb3+ d5 10 Ne6 Nc5 11 Nxd8 Nxb3 12 axb3 is seen by the machine as markedly better, but, of course, a human is likely to require more time to have that perception.

@kindaspongey said ^

I don't think it's the right to explore that path, because I give 2 figures for rook and pawns, and that tactics doesn't brings more benefit , than possible strategical pressing after queen move. that branch not neccesary to calculate since it's very troublesome to realize 2 figures for rook and pawns advantage. it's a tactics without much strategical benefits. So again, I c...

I know, I wouldn't ever consider knight attack on queen instead of queen move better, not because I see the strategic idea behind queen move, but because knight move doesn't seems as deep enought for Me, it consists mainly of tactics, and I m more strategical player. I don't think any human would see strategic idea of that material eqaul position after queen move line, it's seen only by machine , as overall influeence of piece position, but it's rather worth exploring rather than desire to realize only fork tactics

@aVague said in #15:

... I don't think any human would see strategic idea of that material eqaul position after queen move line, it's seen only by machine , as overall influeence of piece position, ...

After 7 Bxf7+ Kxf7 8 Ng5+ Kg8 9 Qb3+ d5 10 Ne6 Nc5 11 Nxd8 Nxb3 12 axb3, you would have lost a bishop, but Hybis would have lost a knight AND a pawn. Also, Hybis would no longer have been able to castle, the h8-rook would have been somewhat buried, the c7-pawn would have been under attack, and the a7-pawn would have been pinned.

@kindaspongey said ^

... I don't think any human would see strategic idea of that material eqaul position after queen move line, it's seen only by machine , as overall influeence of piece position, ...

After 7 Bxf7+ Kxf7 8 Ng5+ Kg8 9 Qb3+ d5 10 Ne6 Nc5 11 Nxd8 Nxb3 12 axb3, you would have lost a bishop, but Hybis would have lost a knight AND a pawn. Also, Hybis would no longer have been able to...

Yes that's engine variant which I have told from that start, that we have +1 pawn, but in that position there is no much need for casling for black, there is rather some other strategical advantage I think

@aVague said in #17:

... in that position there is no much need for casling for black, there is rather some other strategical advantage I think

Well, I think that, after 7 Bxf7+ Kxf7 8 Ng5+ Kg8 9 Qb3+ d5 10 Ne6 Nc5 11 Nxd8 Nxb3 12 axb3, the h8-rook would have been somewhat buried, the c7-pawn would have been under attack, and the a7-pawn would have been pinned.

@kindaspongey said ^

... in that position there is no much need for casling for black, there is rather some other strategical advantage I think

Well, I think that, after 7 Bxf7+ Kxf7 8 Ng5+ Kg8 9 Qb3+ d5 10 Ne6 Nc5 11 Nxd8 Nxb3 12 axb3, the h8-rook would have been somewhat buried, the c7-pawn would have been under attack, and the a7-pawn would have been pinned.

Yes Good view, Much Thx!