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how to break 800?

@Hemorrhoidsteve said in #1:

I end up getting fucked somehow in the middle game or opening.

Which opening?

(That's a joke if it's not obvious. And now I've ruined the joke by saying that, but you'll just have to deal with it.)

@Hemorrhoidsteve said in #1: > I end up getting fucked somehow in the middle game or opening. Which opening? (That's a joke if it's not obvious. And now I've ruined the joke by saying that, but you'll just have to deal with it.)

@X_Player_J_X said in #20:

I, personally, think you should add that information because that is the main reason white & black are doing those moves.

I am at work so I can’t write a lot at the moment.
However, I wanted to tell you about a few other things.

Wow, that was quite a lot none-the-less! Hope you don't get problems at work on my account. I personally don't have a login for lichess on my work computer to avoid getting distracted.

Anyway, i will look at your feedback in detail and see what i can incorporate. The study is already quite text-heavy (its a bit like reading a short annotated book of games) so i will have to keep it to a minimum.

Keep in mind that these are games between beginners who don't necessarily know or follow theory. The intention is to explain why certain moves are bad, how to prevent both strategical and tactical errors and how to formulate plans. Its not a deep dive on theory.

@X_Player_J_X said in #20: > I, personally, think you should add that information because that is the main reason white & black are doing those moves. > > I am at work so I can’t write a lot at the moment. > However, I wanted to tell you about a few other things. > Wow, that was quite a lot none-the-less! Hope you don't get problems at work on my account. I personally don't have a login for lichess on my work computer to avoid getting distracted. Anyway, i will look at your feedback in detail and see what i can incorporate. The study is already quite text-heavy (its a bit like reading a short annotated book of games) so i will have to keep it to a minimum. Keep in mind that these are games between beginners who don't necessarily know or follow theory. The intention is to explain why certain moves are bad, how to prevent both strategical and tactical errors and how to formulate plans. Its not a deep dive on theory.

Pay attention to "intentions" of your opponent. Look at what good moves they have, or what they are trying to set up. Do that, and you will go above 1000 rating easy.

Pay attention to "intentions" of your opponent. Look at what good moves they have, or what they are trying to set up. Do that, and you will go above 1000 rating easy.

@midnightmusicnetwork said in #23:

Pay attention to "intentions" of your opponent. Look at what good moves they have, or what they are trying to set up. Do that, and you will go above 1000 rating easy.

Imho this is a bit to simplistic. One could argue, that you "only" have to do the same thing for reaching any rating 200 points higher than your actual rating, but I think it doesn't work like that. You can't see (read the opponents intentions), what you don't know/haven't learned or don't understand so far.

Have fun!

@midnightmusicnetwork said in #23: > Pay attention to "intentions" of your opponent. Look at what good moves they have, or what they are trying to set up. Do that, and you will go above 1000 rating easy. Imho this is a bit to simplistic. One could argue, that you "only" have to do the same thing for reaching any rating 200 points higher than your actual rating, but I think it doesn't work like that. You can't see (read the opponents intentions), what you don't know/haven't learned or don't understand so far. Have fun!

Yeah, but he understands how people play at his level. He can see their clear intentions at his level. I would not expect him to know the intentions of someone 400 elo stronger.

Yeah, but he understands how people play at his level. He can see their clear intentions at his level. I would not expect him to know the intentions of someone 400 elo stronger.

@EmaciatedSpaniard said in #22:

Wow, that was quite a lot none-the-less! Hope you don't get problems at work on my account. I personally don't have a login for lichess on my work computer to avoid getting distracted.

Anyway, i will look at your feedback in detail and see what i can incorporate. The study is already quite text-heavy (its a bit like reading a short annotated book of games) so i will have to keep it to a minimum.

Keep in mind that these are games between beginners who don't necessarily know or follow theory. The intention is to explain why certain moves are bad, how to prevent both strategical and tactical errors and how to formulate plans. Its not a deep dive on theory.

I would like to apologize.
I thought you was doing a study on the Ruy López and I got triggered.

I’m not exactly sure why I got triggered.
It simply happened unknowingly.
I guess the reason I got triggered was partially due to being in shock.

Image going to Taco Bell with a Friend and you ask them what they are going to get and they respond with Pizza.
Taco Bell does have Pizza, but no one is lining up at Taco Bell for their delicious Pizza.
It is such an obscure item on there menu that might leave person shell shocked.

The move 5.Qe2 is playable in the Ruy López, but it is a side line.
It’s like Pizza at Taco Bell.

In addition, Black started playing moves which are side line moves.
The position is a side line with in a side line.

It is so far away from what a normal person would consider to be a standard Ruy López.
The obscure nature of the position raised red flags to me.

Furthermore, the commentary on the moves wasn’t ideal.
A lot of things were missed which didn’t capture the essence of the position.

The odd move choices + missing commentary lead me to believe that you simply wasn’t familiar with the position.
I got compelled to give you advice to help fix your study.

After giving you the advice, you than commented to me asking if it was necessary to add my advice.
At that point, I got frustrated and decided to make my own Ruy López study.

It has been a day or 2 sense I commented on this thread.
After coming back to the thread and re-reading your comments.
I have come to the conclusion that I might have over reacted.

If you want to make an obscure Ruy López line with no or little commentary, you should be able to do it.
It’s free country!

It’s not a big deal.
Yeah, you just keep on being you my friend!

@EmaciatedSpaniard said in #22: > Wow, that was quite a lot none-the-less! Hope you don't get problems at work on my account. I personally don't have a login for lichess on my work computer to avoid getting distracted. > > Anyway, i will look at your feedback in detail and see what i can incorporate. The study is already quite text-heavy (its a bit like reading a short annotated book of games) so i will have to keep it to a minimum. > > Keep in mind that these are games between beginners who don't necessarily know or follow theory. The intention is to explain why certain moves are bad, how to prevent both strategical and tactical errors and how to formulate plans. Its not a deep dive on theory. I would like to apologize. I thought you was doing a study on the Ruy López and I got triggered. I’m not exactly sure why I got triggered. It simply happened unknowingly. I guess the reason I got triggered was partially due to being in shock. Image going to Taco Bell with a Friend and you ask them what they are going to get and they respond with Pizza. Taco Bell does have Pizza, but no one is lining up at Taco Bell for their delicious Pizza. It is such an obscure item on there menu that might leave person shell shocked. The move 5.Qe2 is playable in the Ruy López, but it is a side line. It’s like Pizza at Taco Bell. In addition, Black started playing moves which are side line moves. The position is a side line with in a side line. It is so far away from what a normal person would consider to be a standard Ruy López. The obscure nature of the position raised red flags to me. Furthermore, the commentary on the moves wasn’t ideal. A lot of things were missed which didn’t capture the essence of the position. The odd move choices + missing commentary lead me to believe that you simply wasn’t familiar with the position. I got compelled to give you advice to help fix your study. After giving you the advice, you than commented to me asking if it was necessary to add my advice. At that point, I got frustrated and decided to make my own Ruy López study. It has been a day or 2 sense I commented on this thread. After coming back to the thread and re-reading your comments. I have come to the conclusion that I might have over reacted. If you want to make an obscure Ruy López line with no or little commentary, you should be able to do it. It’s free country! It’s not a big deal. Yeah, you just keep on being you my friend!

@midnightmusicnetwork said in #25:

Yeah, but he understands how people play at his level. He can see their clear intentions at his level. I would not expect him to know the intentions of someone 400 elo stronger.

True, but didn't he ask to break his barrier? Of course he can see the things on his own current level (at least as often as his opponents), but will that bring him further up the rating ladder?

Imho the OP needs input and practice of "advanced" techniques (from at least a little bit stronger players), that are not so common on his current level.

Have fun!

@midnightmusicnetwork said in #25: > Yeah, but he understands how people play at his level. He can see their clear intentions at his level. I would not expect him to know the intentions of someone 400 elo stronger. True, but didn't he ask to break his barrier? Of course he can see the things on his own current level (at least as often as his opponents), but will that bring him further up the rating ladder? Imho the OP needs input and practice of "advanced" techniques (from at least a little bit stronger players), that are not so common on his current level. Have fun!

Put it like this. Why should he study tactics, and positions that don't happen in his games? Why should he study the Quartgriff attack when he probably will not play a closed game with difficult positioning, and with the aim of a kingside attack? Why should he study outposts, quiet moves, greek gift sacrifice etc? Why should he study those things when the opportunity to play them in his own games never happens? Most people at his level know openings about 5 moves deep, and then they are out of book, and lost in the wilderness, trying to make stupid attacks, sacrifices for no reason, or blundering pieces. His main focus should be on intentions. His opponent played a certain move, why did he do it, and what is he aiming for? Look for checks, captures, attacks on king and queen in 2 to 3 moves. Just that simple idea will get him above 1000. Once he starts playing more seasoned players, then he will need to up his studying a bit. But to pass 800? He just needs to grasp fundamentals, and in his case, looking for what his opponent is doing and what his opponent wants in the position. That's it. EZ wins. It's like martial arts. Why should a white belt practice black belt moves and techniques, when at black belt those techniques flow from a solid understanding of the fundamentals? A white belt needs to focus on the foundation of learning, and that's the basics, and become a master of them. Then he can learn more advanced tactics, techniques, and strategies.

Put it like this. Why should he study tactics, and positions that don't happen in his games? Why should he study the Quartgriff attack when he probably will not play a closed game with difficult positioning, and with the aim of a kingside attack? Why should he study outposts, quiet moves, greek gift sacrifice etc? Why should he study those things when the opportunity to play them in his own games never happens? Most people at his level know openings about 5 moves deep, and then they are out of book, and lost in the wilderness, trying to make stupid attacks, sacrifices for no reason, or blundering pieces. His main focus should be on intentions. His opponent played a certain move, why did he do it, and what is he aiming for? Look for checks, captures, attacks on king and queen in 2 to 3 moves. Just that simple idea will get him above 1000. Once he starts playing more seasoned players, then he will need to up his studying a bit. But to pass 800? He just needs to grasp fundamentals, and in his case, looking for what his opponent is doing and what his opponent wants in the position. That's it. EZ wins. It's like martial arts. Why should a white belt practice black belt moves and techniques, when at black belt those techniques flow from a solid understanding of the fundamentals? A white belt needs to focus on the foundation of learning, and that's the basics, and become a master of them. Then he can learn more advanced tactics, techniques, and strategies.

Fuck a book. You just need to not blunder. Should be easy in theory.

Fuck a book. You just need to not blunder. Should be easy in theory.

I played chess for about 2 hours and was above 800. This was when I was 4 years old.

I played chess for about 2 hours and was above 800. This was when I was 4 years old.

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