@wasteoftime11 said ^
I did an experiment and cheated myself. I bought a ROM that allows me to autoplay at whatever rating I choose. I set it to 2200 and played some bullet games. I'm rated around 1900 so I played people around that level. The 2200 rating bot went 3-4-8. 4 of the draws accepted a draw after 5 moves each. 3 of the 4 losses, there were at least 36 moves made in 3 seconds of game time. He had :59 seconds left and I had :58 after 36 moves. Those 3 games all had the same move set. I then upped the rating of my bot to 2500, which is the max, and it went 5-0-10. All 10 of the draws were the same game. So clearly a lot of people are using the same bot at max level. It's ridiculous.
lot of people here seem to understand that anyway, but i do want to make it explicit: this never happened. it is completely made up. it's a fever dream of how a boomer imagines cheating works.
let me list just a couple of things:
I bought a ROM
you believe most people are paying to cheat? and you think they are using ROM?
I set it to 2200
there are no bots that can play reliably at a certain level. there may be some that claim to play at a certain level, but what even would "2200" be? 2200 fide is different from 2200 chesscom which again is different from 2200 lichess bullet. usually bots that claim such a rating are rated higher than the claimed rating.
The 2200 rating bot went 3-4-8. 4 of the draws accepted a draw after 5 moves each.
so the claim here is that this is a bot that offers and accepts draws? or are you saying that humans interfered with the games played by bots by offering and accepting draws?
Those 3 games all had the same move set. [...] All 10 of the draws were the same game.
so the claim is that this must be bot games, because they are deterministic and always result in the same game. which would not happen to humans. however, this is not how modern engines or bots operate. they don't play moves deterministically. certainly not the ones you can set to specific claimed ratings. repeating the same moves is something that humans do, or bots programmed by a beginner. or an engine explicitly set up for repeatability. none of these options make sense in the context of this story.
I then upped the rating of my bot to 2500, which is the max
really? the max claimed rating of the bot is 2500? and you payed for something this weak? for a ROM of it, no less.
So clearly a lot of people are using the same bot at max level.
the same bot that you payed for? you think that one is used by a lot of people? at the max level of 2500? to the extent that most of the games you played at that level were played against that bot? can you point at that bump in the rating distribution of where that bot is supposedly playing?
none of this passes the smell test. not even close.
@wasteoftime11 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/m7C7p5XQ)
> I did an experiment and cheated myself. I bought a ROM that allows me to autoplay at whatever rating I choose. I set it to 2200 and played some bullet games. I'm rated around 1900 so I played people around that level. The 2200 rating bot went 3-4-8. 4 of the draws accepted a draw after 5 moves each. 3 of the 4 losses, there were at least 36 moves made in 3 seconds of game time. He had :59 seconds left and I had :58 after 36 moves. Those 3 games all had the same move set. I then upped the rating of my bot to 2500, which is the max, and it went 5-0-10. All 10 of the draws were the same game. So clearly a lot of people are using the same bot at max level. It's ridiculous.
lot of people here seem to understand that anyway, but i do want to make it explicit: this never happened. it is completely made up. it's a fever dream of how a boomer imagines cheating works.
let me list just a couple of things:
> I bought a ROM
you believe most people are *paying* to cheat? and you think they are using ROM?
> I set it to 2200
there are no bots that can play reliably at a certain level. there may be some that *claim* to play at a certain level, but what even would "2200" be? 2200 fide is different from 2200 chesscom which again is different from 2200 lichess bullet. usually bots that claim such a rating are rated *higher* than the claimed rating.
> The 2200 rating bot went 3-4-8. 4 of the draws accepted a draw after 5 moves each.
so the claim here is that this is a bot that offers and accepts draws? or are you saying that humans interfered with the games played by bots by offering and accepting draws?
> Those 3 games all had the same move set. [...] All 10 of the draws were the same game.
so the claim is that this must be bot games, because they are deterministic and always result in the same game. which would not happen to humans. however, this is not how modern engines or bots operate. they don't play moves deterministically. certainly not the ones you can set to specific claimed ratings. repeating the same moves is something that humans do, or bots programmed by a beginner. or an engine explicitly set up for repeatability. none of these options make sense in the context of this story.
> I then upped the rating of my bot to 2500, which is the max
really? the max claimed rating of the bot is 2500? and you *payed* for something this weak? for a ROM of it, no less.
> So clearly a lot of people are using the same bot at max level.
the same bot that you *payed* for? you think that one is used by a lot of people? at the max level of 2500? to the extent that most of the games you played at that level were played against that bot? can you point at that bump in the rating distribution of where that bot is supposedly playing?
none of this passes the smell test. not even close.