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3 years since the October 7 massacre — a tragedy that changed the world

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Hey look ! in 2023 Michael Feldon, a senior pediatrician at the Israeli Shamir hospital wrote about the deliberate starving of civilians in the gaza strip.
"The deliberate starvation of civilians during wartime is a war crime."

Maybe there wasn't that much food after all.
So noflaps must be wrong or dishonest...hmm... let me guess...

https://archive.ph/VSkM3 Hey look ! in 2023 Michael Feldon, a senior pediatrician at the Israeli Shamir hospital wrote about the deliberate starving of civilians in the gaza strip. "The deliberate starvation of civilians during wartime is a war crime." Maybe there wasn't that much food after all. So noflaps must be wrong or dishonest...hmm... let me guess...

@Wowbagger, my name is here "Noflaps." Not "flapsy."

Can you simply present your arguments without any attempt to demean? And presenting them responsively, in your own words, might be helpful, too.

Your continued appeal to "authorities" who agree with you is all well and good, but hardly determinative. And their opinions about the matter are not unanimously held.

Many "authorities" told us that the US was recently enjoying the "Best Biden ever" and that the US southern border was "secure" and that Covid came from food and that the laptop was likely "Russian disinformation" and that tariffs would quickly lead to catastrophe, and that there was "negligible" waste and abuse in the use of government funds, too.

Many "authorities" have tried to tell us what to believe. But in retrospect, they got many things quite wrong, despite their repeated, sometimes even smug and disdainful, certainties. I could furnish other examples, too -- but the readers will get the point already, I assume.

October 7 faced Israel with a hard choice. Let such attacks just keep being repeated and make a token effort or actually try to change the situation for good. They didn't ask for that choice. But they had to make it.

Few things really are indisputable in life. And when I note some facts and makes some arguments and then don't really get a counterargument but rather get a wall of "links," I am unlikely to be persuaded. But I'll admit that others might be, and I can always be wrong. None of us has perfect understanding, even if we are sure that we do.

You are certainly entitled to believe what you wish. We're all adults, I assume.

But you might wish to look into what has happened to some of the food allowed into Gaza. Things might be a bit more complicated than you realize. Or maybe not. Have a nice day.

@Wowbagger, my name is here "Noflaps." Not "flapsy." Can you simply present your arguments without any attempt to demean? And presenting them responsively, in your own words, might be helpful, too. Your continued appeal to "authorities" who agree with you is all well and good, but hardly determinative. And their opinions about the matter are not unanimously held. Many "authorities" told us that the US was recently enjoying the "Best Biden ever" and that the US southern border was "secure" and that Covid came from food and that the laptop was likely "Russian disinformation" and that tariffs would quickly lead to catastrophe, and that there was "negligible" waste and abuse in the use of government funds, too. Many "authorities" have tried to tell us what to believe. But in retrospect, they got many things quite wrong, despite their repeated, sometimes even smug and disdainful, certainties. I could furnish other examples, too -- but the readers will get the point already, I assume. October 7 faced Israel with a hard choice. Let such attacks just keep being repeated and make a token effort or actually try to change the situation for good. They didn't ask for that choice. But they had to make it. Few things really are indisputable in life. And when I note some facts and makes some arguments and then don't really get a counterargument but rather get a wall of "links," I am unlikely to be persuaded. But I'll admit that others might be, and I can always be wrong. None of us has perfect understanding, even if we are sure that we do. You are certainly entitled to believe what you wish. We're all adults, I assume. But you might wish to look into what has happened to some of the food allowed into Gaza. Things might be a bit more complicated than you realize. Or maybe not. Have a nice day.

" I am unlikely to be persuaded."
:) I knew that already.
You're a narrow minded old man immune to facts and quite dishonest if I may say so.

"I can always be wrong"
Why yes, yes you can.

Also I'm pretty sure that you haven't read any of my links, it's the reading equivalent of sticking fingers in your ears and singing lalala loud enough.
And I don't recall calling you flapsy although it does sound nice and friendly.

So bye Flapsy, I hope someday you will gain some wisdom.

" I am unlikely to be persuaded." :) I knew that already. You're a narrow minded old man immune to facts and quite dishonest if I may say so. "I can always be wrong" Why yes, yes you can. Also I'm pretty sure that you haven't read any of my links, it's the reading equivalent of sticking fingers in your ears and singing lalala loud enough. And I don't recall calling you flapsy although it does sound nice and friendly. So bye Flapsy, I hope someday you will gain some wisdom.

Deja vu! Please scroll up and notice how forum history is repeating itself in this thread, again and again.

@wowbagger writes, among other insult: "You're a narrow minded old man immune to facts and quite dishonest if I may say so."

Readers, as I've more or less forced to write before, please notice which side tends to rely on insult and personal attack to substitute for real, responsive argument in their own words.

Think of the number of smears inaccurately slung by many over the last ten years. Which side goes around shouting "Nazi" and "fascist" at people who are obviously neither, but who instead simply disagree with some wacky positions? Which side pretended for years that there were "pee tapes" showing Trump, when that was obvious nonsense?

Insult and smear have become common tools in the political world, and it's rubbing off on the populace. Rather than respond to the message point by point, clearly and in their own words, some try to discredit the messenger.

When someone has to smear and insult, and make things personal rather than substantive, they've already lost the argument, even if they don't realize it. Unfortunately, today many just nod along, and adopt the same sad tactic.

Please notice the use of insult and what it implies. Please never be fooled or support that sort of argument. There is a rising tide of such argument, beginning as early as middle schools, and it helps nobody.

Deja vu! Please scroll up and notice how forum history is repeating itself in this thread, again and again. @wowbagger writes, among other insult: "You're a narrow minded old man immune to facts and quite dishonest if I may say so." Readers, as I've more or less forced to write before, please notice which side tends to rely on insult and personal attack to substitute for real, responsive argument in their own words. Think of the number of smears inaccurately slung by many over the last ten years. Which side goes around shouting "Nazi" and "fascist" at people who are obviously neither, but who instead simply disagree with some wacky positions? Which side pretended for years that there were "pee tapes" showing Trump, when that was obvious nonsense? Insult and smear have become common tools in the political world, and it's rubbing off on the populace. Rather than respond to the message point by point, clearly and in their own words, some try to discredit the messenger. When someone has to smear and insult, and make things personal rather than substantive, they've already lost the argument, even if they don't realize it. Unfortunately, today many just nod along, and adopt the same sad tactic. Please notice the use of insult and what it implies. Please never be fooled or support that sort of argument. There is a rising tide of such argument, beginning as early as middle schools, and it helps nobody.

"been" forced to write, rather. Sometimes, when editing, words disappear. Poof! Like magic. But I can blame only myself for that.

"been" forced to write, rather. Sometimes, when editing, words disappear. Poof! Like magic. But I can blame only myself for that.