3 years since the October 7 massacre — a tragedy that changed the world

The 61 didn't have to occur if the 1 did not. Your position ignores reality in order to cling to a preferred world view.

On October 7 a cease fire was in effect. And if it had not been broken, NO deaths would have occurred. Israel wasn't the one who broke the cease fire.

When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, the United States didn't retaliate only until the exact same number of the attackers had been killed and then stop. OBVIOUSLY.

When Germany started World War II by attacking Poland, they started ... A WAR. And in war the object is to defeat the enemy's government, and that is NOT accomplished by head-counting.

You will never change your mind, I'm sure. But it saddens me to see so many naive young people swallow such an unrealistic (if fashionable) point of view. October 7 was BESTIAL. It was far worse than Pearl Harbor. The Japanese didn't deliberately torture women and children in Hawaii.

And the Jews have learned the hard way when they begin to be killed in barbaric fashion: "never again." They've already lost MILLIONS when they respond placidly. So their decision to STOP such barbarism should surprise nobody.

I hate to see anybody killed, and have nothing at all against Palestinian civilians. To the contrary, I hope that some day they'll get to live in a state that doesn't want to make war and spends on food not weapons.

War is terrible. But have those who masterminded the attack on Israel surrendered and disbanded and thrown down their arms yet? Or is that something some would prefer to just ignore.

Chanting from "the river to the sea" merely shows the real thoughts of some. Yet some even in the West naively try to make it the fashion, without really contemplating what is intended. It shows how broken the West has become. That chant was going on long before October 7.

The United States and the West more generally should never elect ANY politician who tries to play both sides and doubletalk this issue. Because it's not just Israel that some hate.

The 61 didn't have to occur if the 1 did not. Your position ignores reality in order to cling to a preferred world view. On October 7 a cease fire was in effect. And if it had not been broken, NO deaths would have occurred. Israel wasn't the one who broke the cease fire. When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, the United States didn't retaliate only until the exact same number of the attackers had been killed and then stop. OBVIOUSLY. When Germany started World War II by attacking Poland, they started ... A WAR. And in war the object is to defeat the enemy's government, and that is NOT accomplished by head-counting. You will never change your mind, I'm sure. But it saddens me to see so many naive young people swallow such an unrealistic (if fashionable) point of view. October 7 was BESTIAL. It was far worse than Pearl Harbor. The Japanese didn't deliberately torture women and children in Hawaii. And the Jews have learned the hard way when they begin to be killed in barbaric fashion: "never again." They've already lost MILLIONS when they respond placidly. So their decision to STOP such barbarism should surprise nobody. I hate to see anybody killed, and have nothing at all against Palestinian civilians. To the contrary, I hope that some day they'll get to live in a state that doesn't want to make war and spends on food not weapons. War is terrible. But have those who masterminded the attack on Israel surrendered and disbanded and thrown down their arms yet? Or is that something some would prefer to just ignore. Chanting from "the river to the sea" merely shows the real thoughts of some. Yet some even in the West naively try to make it the fashion, without really contemplating what is intended. It shows how broken the West has become. That chant was going on long before October 7. The United States and the West more generally should never elect ANY politician who tries to play both sides and doubletalk this issue. Because it's not just Israel that some hate.

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https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party
"between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty".

It seems that chant originates from netanyahu's likud party, and yes, that was long before october 7.

Those nasty hamas terrorists also exist because of israel and netanyahu
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

Maybe you should consult a VARIETY of news sources and stop repeating what your favorite celebrities say.

"Chanting from "the river to the sea" merely shows the real thoughts of some. Yet some even in the West naively try to make it the fashion. "It shows how broken the West has become. That chant was going on long before October 7." https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty". It seems that chant originates from netanyahu's likud party, and yes, that was long before october 7. Those nasty hamas terrorists also exist because of israel and netanyahu https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ Maybe you should consult a VARIETY of news sources and stop repeating what your favorite celebrities say.

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So, @wowbagger, do you think those purple-haired and agitated chaps and chapettes chanting "from the River to the Sea" in New York may really be trying to support Likud and Israel?

Fascinating. Yeah, you've bowled me over with that brilliant insight. I give up. We can just ignore everything else.

So, @wowbagger, do you think those purple-haired and agitated chaps and chapettes chanting "from the River to the Sea" in New York may really be trying to support Likud and Israel? Fascinating. Yeah, you've bowled me over with that brilliant insight. I give up. We can just ignore everything else.

tpr

"The 61 didn't have to occur if the 1 did not."

But the 1 did not have to occur if Israel had not oppressed Palestinians in the occupied territories.

"Israel wasn't the one who broke the cease fire."

Israel refused to release prisoners.

"October 7 was BESTIAL."

yes, but the Gaza Genocide 61 times more.

"The Japanese didn't deliberately torture women and children in Hawaii."

But the Israeli Defense Forces deliberately target women and children.

"I hope that some day they'll get to live in a state"

I hope too that the Two State Solution gets implemented, like Ehud Olmert proposed.

"But have those who masterminded the attack on Israel surrendered"

Most are dead, and so are their children, parents, neighbors ... 61 to 1.

"The 61 didn't have to occur if the 1 did not." * But the 1 did not have to occur if Israel had not oppressed Palestinians in the occupied territories. "Israel wasn't the one who broke the cease fire." * Israel refused to release prisoners. "October 7 was BESTIAL." * yes, but the Gaza Genocide 61 times more. "The Japanese didn't deliberately torture women and children in Hawaii." * But the Israeli Defense Forces deliberately target women and children. "I hope that some day they'll get to live in a state" * I hope too that the Two State Solution gets implemented, like Ehud Olmert proposed. "But have those who masterminded the attack on Israel surrendered" * Most are dead, and so are their children, parents, neighbors ... 61 to 1.

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Another wrote: "But the 1 did not have to occur if Israel had not oppressed Palestinians in the occupied territories."

Please be clear: are you trying to justify October 7? It's a yes or no question.

Another wrote: "But the 1 did not have to occur if Israel had not oppressed Palestinians in the occupied territories." Please be clear: are you trying to justify October 7? It's a yes or no question.

Voldstar

Nobody should justify October 7, and October 7 should not justify the Gaza Genocide.

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Is the Israeli military weak? If Israeli wished "genocide," could their military not accomplish it rather quickly?

And if "genocide" is intended, why allow in food and medical supplies? Or are you under the impression that no food and medical supplies are entering. Have you checked, in detail?

Are you aware of what has happened to many of the supplies that actually have been brought into Gaza? Or is it only necessary to repeat the label "genocide" and let the details pass by.

Still awaiting an answer to my earlier, simple question, by the way.

Nevertheless, sympathy to all the innocents. Let us hope the war can end soon.

Is the Israeli military weak? If Israeli wished "genocide," could their military not accomplish it rather quickly? And if "genocide" is intended, why allow in food and medical supplies? Or are you under the impression that no food and medical supplies are entering. Have you checked, in detail? Are you aware of what has happened to many of the supplies that actually have been brought into Gaza? Or is it only necessary to repeat the label "genocide" and let the details pass by. Still awaiting an answer to my earlier, simple question, by the way. Nevertheless, sympathy to all the innocents. Let us hope the war can end soon.

tpr

"Is the Israeli military weak? If Israeli wished genocide, could their military not accomplish it rather quickly?"

This is an evil argument. Was he German military weak? If Germany wished genocide, could their military not accomplish it rather quickly?

"if genocide is intended, why allow in food and medical supplies?"

Very few of it. Like the Warsaw ghetto.
Two humanitarian flotillas with food and medical supplies were entered in international waters by the Israeli military, and the sailors arrested and mistreated, including the Swedish Greta Thunberg. She was stripped naked in front of male soldiers and minister Ben-Gvir and mocked. All of that, as she said herself, is nothing compared to what Palestinian prisoners have to undergo in Israeli prisons. According to Save the Children even children are tortured and raped there by the Israeli.

"Is the Israeli military weak? If Israeli wished genocide, could their military not accomplish it rather quickly?" * This is an evil argument. Was he German military weak? If Germany wished genocide, could their military not accomplish it rather quickly? "if genocide is intended, why allow in food and medical supplies?" * Very few of it. Like the Warsaw ghetto. Two humanitarian flotillas with food and medical supplies were entered in international waters by the Israeli military, and the sailors arrested and mistreated, including the Swedish Greta Thunberg. She was stripped naked in front of male soldiers and minister Ben-Gvir and mocked. All of that, as she said herself, is nothing compared to what Palestinian prisoners have to undergo in Israeli prisons. According to Save the Children even children are tortured and raped there by the Israeli.

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@Noflaps said ^

Is the Israeli military weak? If Israeli wished "genocide," could their military not accomplish it rather quickly?

They could.

Butt they could also decide to draw it out and do it slowly in order to make it less conspicuous.

So the slowness of it does not really proove anything.

And if "genocide" is intended, why allow in food and medical supplies? Or are you under the impression that no food and medical supplies are entering. Have you checked, in detail?

To be less conspicuous.

They also have many times blocked food and medicine to come in for no reason.

I got suspicouys myself when they at one point had blocked a lof of medicine for children to be brought in. I can't imagine why you would do that unless you're trying to go a genocide.

@Noflaps said [^](/forum/redirect/post/sdbeguhZ) > Is the Israeli military weak? If Israeli wished "genocide," could their military not accomplish it rather quickly? They could. Butt they could also decide to draw it out and do it slowly in order to make it less conspicuous. So the slowness of it does not really proove anything. > And if "genocide" is intended, why allow in food and medical supplies? Or are you under the impression that no food and medical supplies are entering. Have you checked, in detail? To be less conspicuous. They also have many times blocked food and medicine to come in for no reason. I got suspicouys myself when they at one point had blocked a lof of medicine for children to be brought in. I can't imagine why you would do that unless you're trying to go a genocide.

Noflaps

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The 1940s Germans DID achieve genocide rather quickly in World War II. The death camps became horribly efficient. They dispatched millions.

It's yet another reason to say "never again" and mean it.

Still awaiting an answer to my previous, simple, yes or no question. Is answering difficult, given all the other words being offered?

The 1940s Germans DID achieve genocide rather quickly in World War II. The death camps became horribly efficient. They dispatched millions. It's yet another reason to say "never again" and mean it. Still awaiting an answer to my previous, simple, yes or no question. Is answering difficult, given all the other words being offered?