"Don't plants and trees REQUIRE co2 to conduct photosynthesis?"
* First the Earth was without life and the atmosphere was full of CO2. Then plants emerged and they convert CO2 and water to wood and oxygen with the help of sunlight. When the plants died, their wood under pressure converted to coal, oil, and gas in the Earth. The oxygen level rose from 0% to far beyond the present 21%. Then animals emerged. They feed on plants and with oxygen from the air. Then the oxygen level went down to the present 21%. If we were to burn all coal, oil, and gas, then we would restore the original atmosphere with 0% O2. All fellow humans and animals will have suffocated long before that.
"we don't have greener technologies, is because in essence they are less efficient." * Trees are more efficient in converting solar energy than photovoltaic solar panels.
"the needs of fellow humans?" * Fellow humans die in hurricanes, wildfires, floods, draughts all from man-made climate change.
@tpr said in #31:
> * First the Earth was without life and the atmosphere was full of CO2. Then plants emerged and they convert CO2 and water to wood and oxygen with the help of sunlight.
- Trees and plants need co2 to photosynthesis- it is an essential process. - They need the energy from co2 to fuel the solar conversion. co2 processing comes first, without it, plants die.
> "If we were to burn all coal, oil, and gas, then we would restore the original atmosphere with 0% O2. All fellow humans and animals will have suffocated long before that."
- What is your evidence for this claim?
Regardless of whether we burn fuel to emit co2, or emit it through exhalation, we are still producing it. Animals alone create 12% of the global co2 emissions. - Should we just kill all the cows like Bill Gates wants to do? Why go to that extreme when we could be promoting agriculture to improve o2 metrics?
> "we don't have greener technologies, is because in essence they are less efficient." * Trees are more efficient in converting solar energy than photovoltaic solar panels.
- Guess what? no matter how efficient trees are at producing energy, we can't use it- aside from burning coal or wood.
> "the needs of fellow humans?" * Fellow humans die in hurricanes, wildfires, floods, draughts all from man-made climate change.
- If you promoted civil infrastructure by providing more energy sources to third world countries, maybe less people would die from natural catastrophe. You need gas to fuel machinery that grows agriculture, and that maintains forest land. You need fuel to manufacture civil engineered landscapes such as flood walls and bunkers. -
but no, lets take away the fuel needed for this infrastructure in pursuit of wind and solar, which are not reliable, and which cost more to implement- and while we're at it, lets just starve the people. Hey, with less people, there will be less co2 emission. Big W.
@celinofj said in #30:
> @Lord-Forkquaad The best way to prevent hunger now is to apply a Carbon Tax Worldwide.
Lets fund the ultra wealthy governments to insensitive the local energy workers to fix the co2 emission that the governments are funding.
Do you think that the taxes are going to be redistributed through welfare? No. The government is going to pocket that taxes, and the poor are going to be poorer.
@Lord-Forkquaad the balance will become positive and they will be able to remove income taxes.
Why stop there? How about a World Hunger Tax? Or perhaps a World Peace Tax. Maybe we can simply tax everyone until morale improves around here. ;)
@HerkyHawkeye You don't read the full post, why? I just shared a link showing that there is a small chance (but not impossible) that Global warming could trigger a Runaway Greenhouse effect, where the water vapor continues to increase the temperature indefinitely! This is the biggest danger that we're facing!
Hunger always happened, war always happened. It can continue. What can't continue is the warming of the planet, triggered by CO2 emissions. Read the links above.
"What is your evidence for this claim?"
* First there was an atmosphere with all CO2 and no O2 like on other planets. Then came plants and they converted CO2 and water with sunlight to wood and O2. So the O2 level gradually raised to well over the present 21%. When those plants died, under pressure they converted to coal, oil, and gas. Then came animals, feeding on plants and on O2. That stabilized the O2 level in the atmosphere to the present 21%. If we were to burn all coal, oil, and gas, then we would restore the original atmosphere with zero % O2.
"we can't use it- aside from burning coal or wood" * You can burn wood, but also use it as a construction material instead of concrete or steel, that release huge amounts of CO2 in their production process.
"Should we just kill all the cows" * Yes.
"more energy sources to third world countries" * Would lead to more floods, draughts, wildfires and hurricanes.
"wind and solar, which are not reliable" * These are intermittent. Nuclear power is more reliable and almost carbon neutral.
"with less people, there will be less co2 emission" * Indeed, the growing population as well as the rising standard of living releases more CO2. To be sustainable we should all consume less: walk or ride a bicycle or horseback instead of cars, trains, planes; become vegetarians instead of eating meat and dairy products every day; live in wooden structures instead of steel and concrete.
Regulation of co2 is key especially for major contributors—corporations doing a lot of business entangling their co2, employees, and products into society. Washington DC allows corpse citizens rights, lobbing money at congress, writing their own bills, making America meddle again. corruption is bad, the 10th Amendment can stop it. Individuals contribute very little co2 compared to coal, cars, & Chucky Cheeses.
History is going to look at this period of time like we do flat-earth and earth-centered theory.
Co2 doesn’t drive climate.
Our climate is unusually cold.
When our climate warms, mankind flourishes around the planet. When our climate cools, dark ages occur.
Be glad we live in a time of warming.
"Co2 doesn’t drive climate." * Methane much more so, hence the importance to heavily tax meat and dairy products.
"Our climate is unusually cold." * Adjust your thermometer.
"When our climate warms, mankind flourishes around the planet." * Floods, draughts, wildfires, hurricanes...
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