@whatismymainbro said [^](/forum/redirect/post/3rAwLuDH)
> @Kitsune9Tails wellyou see... I want all life to die out, ya! :D
Well your wish will come true, then. I don't think your willing to stab yourself right now (please don't), so your heart may lie elsewhere.
@Kitsune9Tails said [^](/forum/redirect/post/HOGmZkK0)
> > @Kitsune9Tails wellyou see... I want all life to die out, ya! :D
>
> Well your wish will come true, then. I don't think your willing to stab yourself right now (please don't), so your heart may lie elsewhere.
No i am plotting to uhh... idk im tired, go sleep ig
The war in Ukraine is a serious matter that needs to be resolved; I would like to see my country free again.
(@)IamNOTamod: 'Justice, yes, revenge, no.' ~ Justice is a weak version of revenge that relies on the law. The law is not there to help the citizens; it is there to brainwash them. If someone is suicidal because people are harassing them, then who do you think will be imprisoned? If the harassers are productive slaves, then the only one who is not helpful to the government is the suicidal person. If someone breaks your leg and you are no longer productive in society, then who do you think will be imprisoned?
'Two wrongs don't make a right' ~ Hurting evil people is not wrong.
'and that's not a saying that rhymes.' ~ A saying not rhyming is accuracy neutral; it is not a positive. If someone uses, 'lol' in a debate, that is accuracy minus; but not using, 'lol' in a debate is not accuracy plus.
'where did I say there was "proof that God exists"?' ~ 'What I found surprised me, even though I had been taught by many atheists that God did not exist.' If this does not refer to, 'proof,' then what other reason do you have to believe in real-life deus ex machinas?
'Conjecture.' ~ Theory based on laws, history, logic...
'And while not all the mentallly-ill may be dangerous, many have the potential to be.' ~ And while not all humans may be dangerous, they all have the potential to be.
'Would you rather the government not care about the welfare of its citizens?' ~ No. And, contrary to your beliefs, they do not care about that; they care about brainwashing us. It would be better if they did nothing than if they brainwash innocent people into committing suicide for them by entering war.
'The death of many innocent lives, I suspect.' ~ The death of a country that chose to not treat their innocent humans as objects. Sad, but that is how humanity is: either the country brainwashes their citizens or it dies in war.
'No, and contrary to your belief, the mistreatment of patients by staff is illegal.' ~ So, you do not think that imprisoning innocent people and shoving needless up their rears against their will until they are *fixed* is mistreatment? How brainwashed and deluded are you? (Also, if something ---like strapping people to beds, giving them bruises, and involving the police if they use self-defense (all of which are done in mental hospitals)--- is illegal, yet the people who do it are not punished, then it is not illegal; judges are the ones who decide the legality of something. When the government decides that something is legal, then it is legal.)
'a population consists of different individuals and should not, in my opinion, be considered the sum of a select few.' ~ Sadly, the, 'few' are actually the, 'majority.'
'I wrote it on purpose as a reciprocation to your logic, to make you realise how flawed it is!' ~ I do not see how my logic is flawed (nor proven as flawed by a reverse argument).
'But they are not automatically guilty either.' ~ I assume that you meant, 'innocent either.'
'Let go of bitterness, paranoia; embrace the fact that the world is broken, and learn to live with it or change it (if you are able to).' ~ Let go of harmful stubbornness, self-delusion, and real-life deus ex machinas; accept that this life is all that you will ever get and make the most out of it, embrace the fact that humanity has been a lost cause for centuries now, and do not encourage people to believe in misinformation. 'If you do not behave well, son, then you will end up in Hell' is basically abuse.
'I did. A jungle, in fact. And I don't think it did much for my cognitive abilities.' ~ Because school has already damaged you so much. Therefore, a few more jungle visits might be necessary. School, ads, careers, social media, society---they all contribute to lowering your cognitive functions; otherwise, you would realize the truth.
'P.S. are you really defending your portrayals of your opinion as fact, with books and songs?' ~ Not so much, 'defending' as, 'emphasizing.'
PS: While proofreading this, I realize that I use, 'deus ex machina' a lot (which is probably because I love how it sounds).
[@]shadow1414
Ah, I missed your post...
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"Justice is a weak version of revenge that relies on the law"
Rather, revenge is a perverted form of justice.
"If someone is suicidal because people are harassing them, then who do you think will be imprisoned"
The harassers will be punished according to the law of their country, of course. Are you implying that the suicidal person should be imprisoned?
"If someone breaks your leg and you are no longer productive in society, then who do you think will be imprisoned"
Is there a country that punishes its people for being disabled? I highly doubt it.
"Hurting evil people is not wrong"
If it is evil to hurt people, but one hurts evil people, one is not better than said evil people. By the way, who decides who is "evil"? You? I can say with absolute certainty that you have committed "evil" deeds in the past (excepting the miniscule possibility that you are a new-born baby).
"what other reason do you have to believe in real-life deus ex machinas"
Reasons that you wouldn't understand, until you stop thinking of them as "deux ex machinas".
"Theory based on laws, history, logic"
I hope you will forgive me if I insert here the expression "lol". What laws? What logic?
"And while not all humans may be dangerous, they all have the potential to be"
Less so for the mentally-stable (pardon the earlier typo).
"And, contrary to your beliefs, they do not care about that; they care about brainwashing us"
Conjecture. There is more disproof than proof of this statement.
"you do not think that imprisoning innocent people and shoving needless up their rears against their will until they are fixed is mistreatment"
I do not think that restraining the mentally-ill, and administering medication until they improve (even for free) is mistreatment.
"How brainwashed and deluded are you"
How misguided and paranoid are you?
"strapping people to beds"
For the safety of the staff, other patients, and the patient themselves.
"giving them bruises"
You mean, self-inflicted injuries during moments of insanity?
"involving the police if they use self-defense"
You mean, involving security if they attempt to injure or take the lives of others?
"Sadly, the, 'few' are actually the, 'majority'"
So, the majority of humans are murderers, rapists, robbers, and so on? Noted.
"I do not see how my logic is flawed (nor proven as flawed by a reverse argument)"
The opposite argument of the opposite argument of a ridiculous statement is ridiculous.
"I assume that you meant, 'innocent either'"
I meant that they are two sides of the same coin, so to speak.
"do not encourage people to believe in misinformation"
Ironic indeed.
"'If you do not behave well, son, then you will end up in Hell' is basically abuse"
That's not mainstream Christian doctrine (which I assume you are referring to).
"Because school has already damaged you so much"
My schooling literally saved my life twice, now.
"School, ads, careers, social media, society---they all contribute to lowering your cognitive functions; otherwise, you would realize the truth."
Conspiracy theories, dystopian fiction and other negative media---they all contribute to the distortion of the line between reality and your imagination; otherwise, you would realise the truth.
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Cheers!
(@)IamNOTamod: 'Rather, revenge is a perverted form of justice.' ~ According to your imaginary friend. Not only is revenge not wrong, it may also be good; it can discourage people from continuing their behavior. 'I do not want to inflict harm to others when I have now experienced it,' for example.
'The harassers will be punished according to the law of their country' ~ What reason does the government have to enforce those laws? If the harassers are productive slaves, then the answer is, 'None.'
'Are you implying that the suicidal person should be imprisoned?' ~ No; I am implying that they *will* be imprisoned. Before responding to a comment, you should read it.
'Is there a country that punishes its people for being disabled?' ~ The whole idea of, 'society' is just that: a brainwashing punishment for those who are not perfect slaves. If you are not ready to commit suicide by entering war, then you will be imprisoned in a boring, lifeless white room until you go back to being a good slave. We are so used to it that we do not realize it.
'If it is evil to hurt people, but one hurts evil people, one is not better than said evil people.' ~ Evil people do not deserve the same rights as decent ones. If evil people being hurt makes their victims feel better, then that hurt should be allowed.
'By the way, who decides who is "evil"?' ~ Humans do; this is good and bad. Let us agree that stabbing innocent people's rears against their will is evil.
'You?' ~ I have as much moral right to do so as the average human.
'I can say with absolute certainty that you have committed "evil" deeds in the past' ~ Correct. In all of us, there is good and evil; what matters is which side we choose. I have chosen the wrong one many times ---I have mistreated friends, stolen, lied, and so on--- but I have not done anything that makes me as bad as abusers who hide behind the law. If someone gets their appropriate punishment or makes amends, and then chooses to be a decent person, then I am all for them getting a second chance*; this is a choice that every human should be forced to make.
*Unless they did something that cannot be fixed. (Such as murder or inflicting extreme trauma.)
'Reasons that you wouldn't understand, until you stop thinking of them as "deux ex machinas".' ~ Religious people will always think of some excuse. 'Where is your proof that God exists?' 'I do not need proof; everyone but you knows.' 'You are not convincing.' 'It is not about being convinced; it is about believing [in deus ex machinas].' I will certainly not understand your reasons if you will not provide them. What benefit is there to carrying on with these foolish, self-destructive beliefs?
'I hope you will forgive me if I insert here the expression "lol".' ~ I have forgiven you, but I will never forget.
'What laws? What logic?' ~ Same-sex relationships being forbidden until ---conveniently--- overpopulation starts to become an issue; abusing innocent people being legal; education being legally mandatory; the very concept of society...
'Conjecture [SIC]. There is more disproof than proof of this statement.' ~ Such as?
'I do not think that restraining the mentally-ill, and administering medication until they improve (even for free) is mistreatment.' ~ I do think that innocent people do not deserve to be legally tortured.
'How misguided and paranoid are you?' ~ I wish that I was ignorant, brainwashed, and not curious about anything; I wish that I never learned the truth; I wish that I could forget the truth. But I cannot. If we rise up, then we will have a chance at victory. We will likely get killed by the government, but we will die anyway. Since we only get one life, is it not better to risk shortening it if it means that we have a chance at creating a better race for the future generations?
'For the safety of the staff, other patients, and the patient themselves.' ~ The staff hurt innocent people, but they are too weak to handle when people use self-defense. The only people who should hurt others are those who are prepared to be hurt themselves.
'You mean, self-inflicted injuries during moments of insanity?' ~ Ah, I see how it is: You hold the common belief that patients in hospitals are mindless monsters who are always responsible for what happens to themselves. When the staff are willing to ---and legally allowed to--- cause innocent people to bleed out of their rears, then what would stop them from causing bruises, too?
'You mean, involving security if they attempt to injure or take the lives of others?' ~ You mean, 'Ruining someone's life by giving them a criminal record if they fight back against their abusers'?
'So, the majority of humans are murderers, rapists, robbers, and so on? Noted.' ~ The majority of humans are paying taxes. In other words, supporting the legal brainwashing, imprisonment, and abuse of innocent people.
'The opposite argument of the opposite argument of a ridiculous statement is ridiculous.' ~ This sentence hurts to look at.
'I meant that they are two sides of the same coin, so to speak.' ~ Elaborate.
'Ironic indeed.' ~ Doubled irony, indeed.
'That's not mainstream Christian doctrine' ~ It is, nonetheless, still a part of Christianity. Similar to, 'Things will get better,' 'Give people endless forgiveness and chances' encourages people to stay in abusive relationships; Christianity is dangerous.
'My schooling literally saved my life twice, now.' ~ You put someone in an awful position and then miraculously save them from it---it is a technique that is used to manipulate people.
'Conspiracy theories, dystopian fiction and other negative media---they all contribute to the distortion of the line between reality and your imagination; otherwise, you would realise[*] the truth.' ~ Common sense, the word, 'dystopian,' calling awful facts, 'fiction,' sugarcoating, and Christianity---they all contribute to creating a slave empire that is build on power, corruption, and brainwashing; otherwise, you would realize the truth.
*It strikes me as though that if you are to parody someone's text, then you should use the same spelling as them. (At least, when the spelling is not inaccurate, but instead a variant from another version of the language.)
'Cheers!' ~ This is on the same level as, 'lol,' 'Mr. Sherlock,' and, 'Touch grass': it does not make you appear unaffected. Given your experience with trolls, I thought that you would know this.
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