The whole system of hell and heaven is simply messed up. if you think about it.
simply because you can't just compare people by the good or bad things they did. because it is heavily influenced by environment.
Let's say we have a good person who has an easy life (wealthy, handsome, intelligent) and a bad person who has an extremely difficult life, living under extreme cruelty. For a good person, it is easy to be a good person; you can give homeless people money, no one has a conflict with you, you are positive, and you help everybody. People are nice for you. You have no reason to be evil. Meanwhile, for a bad person, it is easy to be a cruel and terrible person because of the environment you're in. Yet a bad person would go to hell and a good person would go to heaven. And because it is purely a god choice, isn't that unfair? For that reason, a good god would never create hell and heaven, because he knows it isn't your fault being evil or good but rather what environment shaped you.
And if someone says a person is born evil when there is a point of even hell and heaven, when you've literally created this person to be evil.
And if someone says forgive me, God, or I'm not evil, or whatever thing would avoid "evil" person punishment is reliant on his's mental state, which was shaped by his environment.
Only a true fair god wouldn't create hell and heaven but rather give you a life experience of what you want. It was your choice to experience this.
sorry for grammar, let me fix that real quick
@xDoubledragon
I think I agree with you, to a large extent. I don't know if I believe in any God at all, but if I did believe, I would expect God to be fair...not make it too easy for anyone, but treat us justly. I have trouble believing that any good God would sentence someone to Hell for any finite crime. The punishment should fit the crime, if there is one at all.
Before anyone rips me a new one for being a non-believer who has not read the Bible, I want to state that I did not have a largely religious background. I have not had the same experiences as someone who has gone to church every Sunday at least. I don't think it is my duty to read the Bible. Also, don't you find it interesting that Satan gets to run Hell? I thought Satan was the archenemy of God. Why would God, in His infinite wisdom, send us to a Hell governed by the Devil? How would God know if we were being punished fairly? I believe God would destroy Satan (and us, possibly) rather than allow for any infinite suffering to go on...my beliefs might be way out there, but my beliefs are my own.
I sometimes wonder if God loves any of us at all. God is supposed to be infinite. God is invincible. So, why did God cast the evil angels into Hell? Were they hurting Him at all? And didn't God know FAR ahead of time that they would rebel? Maybe God wanted evil to exist, perhaps to give us all free will, if that can be believed. However, I thought God was the one who ultimately gave us freedom? If we can't have freedom and salvation, what is the point of anything? God has an army of slaves following Him?? Okay, my last question for now: if God has the ultimate power of any being in the universe and beyond, why does God need to obey any rules? I have heard it said that God has to be just (this is the reason he is not always merciful, in theory). I thought God didn't obey anyone or anything but His own will.
You are misunderstanding the idea of a Christian God. God does judge based on good and bad, however since according to the Bible no one is actually good, everyone is fairly treated the same way: by going to hell. The idea of going to heaven only comes from the idea that God can forgive all the bad things you do. He is only able to do this because He punished His Son (Jesus) instead of you. If you accept Jesus's sacrifice, you are forgiven and let into heaven. God is not cruel to send people to hell if He does it to everyone, it's only because He's merciful that anyone goes to heaven at all.
God hates evil, however because He also wants you to choose to love Him, He gave you the capacity to also choose to do evil. That is the idea behind being born evil, that you could theoretically choose Him or choose to go against Him.
It would be pointless to say what a "truly fair god is" because He created you. Truly Fair is defined by the person who created the concept of fairness itself, which is Him. Therefore by definition, everything God does is fair.
@DoomedBishop said in #4:
you know after little bit of thinking, I come up with insane objective proof
that if god is omnipotent when free-will cannot exist
because god is omnipotent he knows everything, it means that he knows how world started and ended and knows every single detail.
let's define that each human has own life path, and a choise as consciousness if human has free-will, when human can have many life choises. however humans choises must be predicted by god, otherwise he is not omnipotent. but if it is predicted, it is a god's will
@dstne said in #5:
> "God is not cruel to send people to hell if He does it to everyone, it's only because He's merciful that anyone goes to heaven at all" why would God send everyone to hell, why would god want everyone to suffer?
This conversation is completely messed up. Why? Because I've met God, and I've met the Devil, and all I can say is, "Give me Hell, and give me the Devil."
@xDoubledragon said in #1:
> Meanwhile, for a bad person, it is easy to be a cruel and terrible person because of the environment you're in
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God".
@MircallaLives said in #8:
> This conversation is completely messed up. Why? Because I've met God, and I've met the Devil, and all I can say is, "Give me Hell, and give me the Devil."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-_yVTbeMwg
(Yeah-- I know that very few people will get the reference, but I'm posting it anyways. Watch Hammer Horrors, you heathens!)
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