Religion is weird

@a4477 said in #39:

Thank you, you explained exactly what the reason I believe!! Net because I'm afraid of death there is no other reason!! Come on, be serious, religions were created because people believed in them, ask me why? Each religion and its answers (in my religion because it is proven)

if your religion is proven it would be science not religion

@rubin8232 said in #41:

if your religion was proven it would be science not religion

Absolutely not, bro, some things are proven by revelation, and some things are proven by logic, but you want to call my religion science, call it, I have no problem

@a4477 said in #42:

Absolutely not, bro, some things are proven by revelation, and some things are proven by logic, but you want to call my religion science, call it, I have no problem

Well, every religious person will tell you that his beliefs are outcomes of logic and revelation proven by historical evidence. Does that mean every religion is true?

@a4477 said in #40:

In the same way, I can say that science and atheism were created because they were afraid to accept the religions (not that I think so, just an example) this is not a serious claim

Before the science was invented there wasn't laws of gravity, thermodynamics and such. They just found a different way to describe nature with what they know best. What they call God of Thunder is what we call electromagnetism. We can't interfere with the laws of electromagnetism as we can't interfere with the God of Thunder. Under this aspect Gods and laws of nature (read "discovery of science") are almost the same thing.

@rubin8232 said in #43:

Well, every religious person will tell you that his beliefs are outcomes of logic and revelation proven by historical evidence. Does that mean every religion is true?

Of course he will say, not everything is true, but there is something unique in my religion (Christianity also splits from there), but I'm not sure I want to get into that

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@Sleepy_Gary said in #14:

As an atheist myself, believe that any social and ntelligent species that communicates like us would make a religion.

Intelligent beings want to understand the world around them. Before they have the tools of the scientific method to learn and verify the universe, they are going to try and explain these insanely complex mechanisms in ways that seem to make sense to them (for example: I make things, so some huge being must have made me). Also, its a coping mechanism for a brutal reality where you want to believe your loved ones in some way still exist after they die, them being gone forever is too much for a lot of people.

You're right though. Religion is a scourge on humanity. I hope before I die, I see a world where there are more non-religious people than there are religious.

Technically speaking religion was always a logical fallacy. It is fine to have a hypothesis that if we create things like watches, bicycles and other complex machinery then something more complex than us could have made humans. But to simply assume it is true is fallacious reasoning, and our ancestors were deeply guilty of that. Ironically Dawkins and the rest of the scientific community who keep claiming God was a good theory several thousands of years ago were simply wrong. It was always bad reasoning to accept the theory, because it always lacked any supporting evidence. And you know what is worse about it, is that because of their inability to understand why it is logically wrong, they now buy into or find persuasive arguments such as the teleological or fine-tuning argument, where because they can't explain how fine-tuned the constants of the universe are, they leap to a conclusion that God is the only reasonable alternative. This is a huge fallacy in logic and is basically a God of the gaps argument, but stunningly most scientists, especially the celebrity ones, can't see this.

And anyway you could easily keep going with that argument and derive a situation which is logically absurd. If something more powerful and intelligent than a human was needed to create a human, than are we to assume that super-God created God? And so on ad infinitum? I don't think most people see an infinite chain of more powerful Gods as reasonable or intuitive (and some argue it is logically impossible to have an actual infinity in the world), but that is what you would be forced to believe if you were consistent in applying your assumption.

So rather you should amend your statement to say, that any intelligent race of beings that speaks like us might consider God as a hypothesis, but they would absolutely not and should absolutely not be drawn into any kind of belief about its existence based merely on a plausible hypothetical, especially on the basis that its the only explanation we can think of, as if all the possible ways in which our universe could come to exist should be easily comprehensible and immediately accessible to an organism that evolved on some random planet.

First came people, then religion ...

@rubin8232 said in #41:

if your religion is proven it would be science not religion

My religion is science, too

@Loosy said in #30:

These are very active fields of research, which supports @griffindabeast point in #1:
anything that doesn’t make sense just means that you don’t understand it and have more to learn.

"If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics." --FEYNMAN