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@Ludo2001 said in #15:

... in e5 as I said, a player who owns White may find this position comfortable because when the pattern resembles that of caro-kann, he may be used to playing this structure ...
@kindaspongey said in #16:
... You have talked about 1 e4 d5 2 e5 c5 3 c3 Bf5 4 d4 e6, but that is the same position as the one that results from 1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5. With experience playing against the Caro-Kann, White is quite likely to want something better than the sort of position that results from 1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 etc. ...
@Ludo2001 said in #19:
... I must have missed something
because 2 d3 is a bad move in the caro-kann opening
For that reason, if white has previous experience playing against the Caro-Kann, White is unlikely to want to reach the position resulting from 1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5.
@Ludo2001 said in #19:
in what I said, I just wanted to say that the white structure resembles that of the caro-kann when playing e5
I didn't mean the identical sequence of 1 e4 d5 2 e5 c5 3 c3 Bf5 4 d4 e6 and 1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5. ...
YOU gave the line1 e4 d5 2 e5 c5 3 c3 Bf5 4 d4 e6
( https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/why-doesnt-the-opening-noun-sandinavian-defense-advance-variation-does-it-not-exist- #10)
that results in a position that IS identical to the position after 1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5. Since White is unlikely to want to reach the position resulting from
1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5,
White is also unlikely to want to reach the position resulting from 1 e4 d5 2 e5 c5 3 c3 Bf5 4 d4 e6 (the line given by YOU).
@ColossusChess said in #14 ( https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/why-doesnt-the-opening-noun-sandinavian-defense-advance-variation-does-it-not-exist-?page=2 ):
... 2.exd5 is a much better move and therefore 2.e5 is a mistake ... Even if the position is still equal afterwards. ...
@Ludo2001 said in #1:
... basically [ColossusChess] says that the opening is an error while Stockfish itself judges that the opening is concretely equal to 0.0 ...
@kindaspongey said in #16:
... I think that it is fairly common for a “0.0” option like 1 e4 d5 2 e5 to be regarded as an error by White when there is an alternative (2 exd5) that is good for perhaps a 0.3 advantage.
@Ludo2001 said in #19:
... ColosseChess did not specify at the beginning that it is because of the alternative exd5, that therefore the move e5 is an error, in the first lines one could believe from this first saying that pushing e5 is concretely a error
as if the evaluation gave a white disadvantage, ...
A move can be an error without giving a disadvantage. After 1 g4 e5 2 f4, 2...exf4 would not give Black a disadvantage.
@Ludo2001 said in #19:
... I could have understood better, but hey..., on the other hand ColassusChess could have been more precise, ...
... if the player chooses to play e5, and it is done on purpose, one cannot deny that it is an error on his part since he did it on purpose ...
I suspect that there are many who would consider it acceptable to characterize 1 e4 d5 2 e5 as an error regardless of the purpose.
@Ludo2001 said in #19:
... it's only because when we play exd5, it increases the risk for white to have a good position and often win that e5 is a mistake, that's all
I would suggest that you accept that some may consider "error" to be a reasonable alternative to "mistake" as a description.
@Ludo2001 said in #19:
in e5 there can be interesting lines,1. e4 d5 2. e5 c5 3. c3 d4 4. Bb5+ Bd7 5. e6 Bxb5 6. exf7+ Rxf7 7. Qb3+ e6 8. Qxb5 ...
If Black plays 3...Bf5 instead of 3...d4, one does not get this line.

@Ludo2001 said in #15: > ... in e5 as I said, a player who owns White may find this position comfortable because when the pattern resembles that of caro-kann, he may be used to playing this structure ... @kindaspongey said in #16: > ... You have talked about 1 e4 d5 2 e5 c5 3 c3 Bf5 4 d4 e6, but that is the same position as the one that results from 1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5. With experience playing against the Caro-Kann, White is quite likely to want something better than the sort of position that results from 1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 etc. ... @Ludo2001 said in #19: > ... I must have missed something > because 2 d3 is a bad move in the caro-kann opening For that reason, if white has previous experience playing against the Caro-Kann, White is unlikely to want to reach the position resulting from 1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5. @Ludo2001 said in #19: > in what I said, I just wanted to say that the white structure resembles that of the caro-kann when playing e5 > I didn't mean the identical sequence of 1 e4 d5 2 e5 c5 3 c3 Bf5 4 d4 e6 and 1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5. ... YOU gave the line1 e4 d5 2 e5 c5 3 c3 Bf5 4 d4 e6 ( https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/why-doesnt-the-opening-noun-sandinavian-defense-advance-variation-does-it-not-exist- #10) that results in a position that IS identical to the position after 1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5. Since White is unlikely to want to reach the position resulting from 1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5, White is also unlikely to want to reach the position resulting from 1 e4 d5 2 e5 c5 3 c3 Bf5 4 d4 e6 (the line given by YOU). @ColossusChess said in #14 ( https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/why-doesnt-the-opening-noun-sandinavian-defense-advance-variation-does-it-not-exist-?page=2 ): > ... 2.exd5 is a much better move and therefore 2.e5 is a mistake ... Even if the position is still equal afterwards. ... @Ludo2001 said in #1: > ... basically [ColossusChess] says that the opening is an error while Stockfish itself judges that the opening is concretely equal to 0.0 ... @kindaspongey said in #16: > ... I think that it is fairly common for a “0.0” option like 1 e4 d5 2 e5 to be regarded as an error by White when there is an alternative (2 exd5) that is good for perhaps a 0.3 advantage. @Ludo2001 said in #19: > ... ColosseChess did not specify at the beginning that it is because of the alternative exd5, that therefore the move e5 is an error, in the first lines one could believe from this first saying that pushing e5 is concretely a error > as if the evaluation gave a white disadvantage, ... A move can be an error without giving a disadvantage. After 1 g4 e5 2 f4, 2...exf4 would not give Black a disadvantage. @Ludo2001 said in #19: > ... I could have understood better, but hey..., on the other hand ColassusChess could have been more precise, ... > ... if the player chooses to play e5, and it is done on purpose, one cannot deny that it is an error on his part since he did it on purpose ... I suspect that there are many who would consider it acceptable to characterize 1 e4 d5 2 e5 as an error regardless of the purpose. @Ludo2001 said in #19: > ... it's only because when we play exd5, it increases the risk for white to have a good position and often win that e5 is a mistake, that's all I would suggest that you accept that some may consider "error" to be a reasonable alternative to "mistake" as a description. @Ludo2001 said in #19: > in e5 there can be interesting lines,1. e4 d5 2. e5 c5 3. c3 d4 4. Bb5+ Bd7 5. e6 Bxb5 6. exf7+ Rxf7 7. Qb3+ e6 8. Qxb5 ... If Black plays 3...Bf5 instead of 3...d4, one does not get this line.

I would never play 1.e4 d5 2.e5 line. On move 2 I would take the d5 pawn.

I would never play 1.e4 d5 2.e5 line. On move 2 I would take the d5 pawn.

Chess players generally think they're better than everyone else xxx

Chess players generally think they're better than everyone else xxx

"just one positive opinion or one person who agrees with me that would make me very happy."

Just sit on that sentence in silence and think deeply as if you would play chess... you really want to allow some random person internet opinions or be it real life opinions to decide whether you will live happy life or not. Who is deciding your mood? Is it you in charge of it or someone else? If you lose 10 games in a row, the rage "comes", is this rage an external or something inside of you, which you are the boss of? Your ideas got disliked on some internet forum, and sadness arrives, where does that travel from? Inside or outside?
Investigate it, unless you want all the time depend on some external tides (sunny = happy, rainy =sad, got a job = happy, lost a job =sad, somebody said I am smart = happy, someone said I am stup.d = sad etc)...
Depending your life on external opinios is madness, just go into it, go deep on how person's opinions arise, and then multiply it by millions of random life scenarios etc. and you want to base your depression or not depression on it?

"just one positive opinion or one person who agrees with me that would make me very happy." Just sit on that sentence in silence and think deeply as if you would play chess... you really want to allow some random person internet opinions or be it real life opinions to decide whether you will live happy life or not. Who is deciding your mood? Is it you in charge of it or someone else? If you lose 10 games in a row, the rage "comes", is this rage an external or something inside of you, which you are the boss of? Your ideas got disliked on some internet forum, and sadness arrives, where does that travel from? Inside or outside? Investigate it, unless you want all the time depend on some external tides (sunny = happy, rainy =sad, got a job = happy, lost a job =sad, somebody said I am smart = happy, someone said I am stup.d = sad etc)... Depending your life on external opinios is madness, just go into it, go deep on how person's opinions arise, and then multiply it by millions of random life scenarios etc. and you want to base your depression or not depression on it?

I would be happy if everyone agree with me and we can share ideas and work toward our goal. But all of us got different playstyle that why I was not happy. I am also very confused to make the best move and the second best move. Sadly, this world never agree with one move and look for many different moves. :(

I would be happy if everyone agree with me and we can share ideas and work toward our goal. But all of us got different playstyle that why I was not happy. I am also very confused to make the best move and the second best move. Sadly, this world never agree with one move and look for many different moves. :(

Wasn't it some famous guy who said I hope they bury me upside down, so the whole world can kiss my ass.
Who cares what other people think, or how they vote on your post. As you said, truth is truth. 2+2 always equals 4, and no amount of figgling and wriggling, or temper tantrums or hissy fits is going to change that. Let them cry.

I love the thumbs down, because it means I probably triggered a loser.

Wasn't it some famous guy who said I hope they bury me upside down, so the whole world can kiss my ass. Who cares what other people think, or how they vote on your post. As you said, truth is truth. 2+2 always equals 4, and no amount of figgling and wriggling, or temper tantrums or hissy fits is going to change that. Let them cry. I love the thumbs down, because it means I probably triggered a loser.

@Move_In_Silence_2024 said in #10:

Come on I am 2300 rapid and no one agrees with me either. Do not get affected. Protect your mental health. Just ignore what others say. Have great chess days ahead okay.

No one agrees with you because you tried to harass everyone lower rated than you over some chess advice that you wanted to sell...

@Move_In_Silence_2024 said in #10: > Come on I am 2300 rapid and no one agrees with me either. Do not get affected. Protect your mental health. Just ignore what others say. Have great chess days ahead okay. No one agrees with you because you tried to harass everyone lower rated than you over some chess advice that you wanted to sell...

Supposons que l'on peut se mettre d'accord sur deux ou trois choses:

  1. Plastic Bertrand est le meilleur vedette de la musique pop francais. Je sais, il est belge, mais peu import.
  2. Celebrons la victoire de Marine le Pen !
Supposons que l'on peut se mettre d'accord sur deux ou trois choses: 1) Plastic Bertrand est le meilleur vedette de la musique pop francais. Je sais, il est belge, mais peu import. 2) Celebrons la victoire de Marine le Pen !

@kindaspongey said in #21:

For that reason, if white has previous experience playing against the Caro-Kann, White is unlikely to want to reach the position resulting from 1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5.
YOU gave the line1 e4 d5 2 e5 c5 3 c3 Bf5 4 d4 e6
that results in a position that IS identical to the position after 1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5. Since White is unlikely to want to reach the position resulting from
1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5,
White is also unlikely to want to reach the position resulting from 1 e4 d5 2 e5 c5 3 c3 Bf5 4 d4 e6 (the line given by YOU).

the order of movement is not the same in the 2 sequences, with two different sequences we can obtain an identical position, but nothing prevents that in sequence 1 there is an error and that in sequence 2 there is no there is no error

assuming there is an error in sequence 1 and not sequence 2, it makes sense to want to reach the final position by selecting sequence 2 and not sequence 1

it is not because it is unlikely to obtain the position resulting from sequence 1 because of a bad movement, that it is also unlikely to obtain the final position of sequence 2, because in this sequence 2 there is no bad movement

which is precisely the case of this sequence : e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5 the move d3 is an imprecision that is not found in 1 e4 d5 2 e5 c5 3 c3 Bf5 4 d4 e6

d3 is even a radical change which proves that the two sequences are very different because this move does not exist in the sequence: e4 d5 2 e5 c5 3 c3 Bf5 4 d4 e6

if the ingredient(d3) is missing in a sequence it is difficult to compare the two sequences since their content is not the same

in this specific case the two sequences are at the same levels, despite the fact that the order of the movements is not the same, this can only be discussed in terms of imprecision, I do not see more than 0.6 disadvantage in both resulting positions

moreover in the caro-kann, after c6 it is much more logical to push d4 than d3, while in my line we do not find any illogical movement like d3, the only move is precisely the push e5 after d5

e4 d5 e5: after black's c5 move, white makes c3, which is normal to be able to put a pawn on d4

A move can be an error without giving a disadvantage. After 1 g4 e5 2 f4, 2...exf4 would not give Black a disadvantage.

this example deviates completely from the questionable domain in terms of imprecision towards an extreme domain where black does not see checkmate

any opening can be played as long as it does not go below 0.5 even if another alternative is better

I can even prove that even the great players in the world can play even very bad openings in terms of error when they have other much better alternatives. and that he manages to win with

to go to the extreme I will show the example of an opening which has an error in the first movement

https://lichess.org/nB5jSck0#0
g4! how can we explain that such an opening was played at a high level?

g4 unlike e5, it's a big mistake from the first move and in a concrete way (grob:-1) and not objectively

In this case we could say that e4,d4,c4... is a much better alternative than g4?

If Black plays 3...Bf5 instead of 3...d4, one does not get this line.

that's why I said it was possible, it suggests that black will not necessarily play d4

in addition on lichess from elo 1800 to 2500 d4 it is the 2nd most played line with 20%

@kindaspongey said in #21: > For that reason, if white has previous experience playing against the Caro-Kann, White is unlikely to want to reach the position resulting from 1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5. > YOU gave the line1 e4 d5 2 e5 c5 3 c3 Bf5 4 d4 e6 > that results in a position that IS identical to the position after 1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5. Since White is unlikely to want to reach the position resulting from > 1 e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5, > White is also unlikely to want to reach the position resulting from 1 e4 d5 2 e5 c5 3 c3 Bf5 4 d4 e6 (the line given by YOU). the order of movement is not the same in the 2 sequences, with two different sequences we can obtain an identical position, but nothing prevents that in sequence 1 there is an error and that in sequence 2 there is no there is no error assuming there is an error in sequence 1 and not sequence 2, it makes sense to want to reach the final position by selecting sequence 2 and not sequence 1 it is not because it is unlikely to obtain the position resulting from sequence 1 because of a bad movement, that it is also unlikely to obtain the final position of sequence 2, because in this sequence 2 there is no bad movement which is precisely the case of this sequence : e4 c6 2 d3 d5 3 e5 Bf5 4 d4 e6 5 c3 c5 the move d3 is an imprecision that is not found in 1 e4 d5 2 e5 c5 3 c3 Bf5 4 d4 e6 d3 is even a radical change which proves that the two sequences are very different because this move does not exist in the sequence: e4 d5 2 e5 c5 3 c3 Bf5 4 d4 e6 if the ingredient(d3) is missing in a sequence it is difficult to compare the two sequences since their content is not the same in this specific case the two sequences are at the same levels, despite the fact that the order of the movements is not the same, this can only be discussed in terms of imprecision, I do not see more than 0.6 disadvantage in both resulting positions moreover in the caro-kann, after c6 it is much more logical to push d4 than d3, while in my line we do not find any illogical movement like d3, the only move is precisely the push e5 after d5 e4 d5 e5: after black's c5 move, white makes c3, which is normal to be able to put a pawn on d4 > A move can be an error without giving a disadvantage. After 1 g4 e5 2 f4, 2...exf4 would not give Black a disadvantage. this example deviates completely from the questionable domain in terms of imprecision towards an extreme domain where black does not see checkmate any opening can be played as long as it does not go below 0.5 even if another alternative is better I can even prove that even the great players in the world can play even very bad openings in terms of error when they have other much better alternatives. and that he manages to win with to go to the extreme I will show the example of an opening which has an error in the first movement https://lichess.org/nB5jSck0#0 g4! how can we explain that such an opening was played at a high level? g4 unlike e5, it's a big mistake from the first move and in a concrete way (grob:-1) and not objectively In this case we could say that e4,d4,c4... is a much better alternative than g4? > If Black plays 3...Bf5 instead of 3...d4, one does not get this line. that's why I said it was possible, it suggests that black will not necessarily play d4 in addition on lichess from elo 1800 to 2500 d4 it is the 2nd most played line with 20%

@Jazycupcake42 said in #20:

No one agree with me either, why should you be sad just because of the thumb down.

no it's not precisely for the lowered hands, it's precisely because no one agrees with me and it's recurring, I'm talking about the past, following what I just posted on the forum, a lot of people agree with me and that makes me very , happy that there are even a lot of hands raised

even if there are still negative hands...

@Jazycupcake42 said in #20: > No one agree with me either, why should you be sad just because of the thumb down. no it's not precisely for the lowered hands, it's precisely because no one agrees with me and it's recurring, I'm talking about the past, following what I just posted on the forum, a lot of people agree with me and that makes me very , happy that there are even a lot of hands raised even if there are still negative hands...

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