Is fried liver attack losing for black with perfect play?

@chessplayer123581321 said ^

yes please

Your goal is to make 11 moves according to theory. Write them in large letters on a paper. There will be more options, play with your head. Then show your game here.
!!!DONT PLAY BULLET!!!!

Yeah it's losing. 6. d4! is a bit better than Nxf7 straight away.

Black could try & defend & hope white makes a mistake but why? 5. ... Nxd5 is a mistake that you should be aware of beyond 1200 strength.

https://youtu.be/yT1ACBjzCrA?si=-1ChAseSpfTfq-Yg

"Yeah it's losing."

• No, if both play well it draws.

"6. d4! is a bit better"

• It draws as well when both play well:
  
  https://lichess.org/b4bnG4ar#11

One used to think that 6.Nxf7 is winning. Ok, not so easy. Then, 6.d4 is better. Wait, not so easy.

So, I rest my case^^

@tpr said ^

"Yeah it's losing."

• No, if both play well it draws.

"6. d4! is a bit better"

• It draws as well when both play well:

Black already is not playing well with the blunder Nxd5 so why would he play like a computer after that? White is much better, you can find some correspondence game (basically an engine game, no unassisted human is gonna play 12. ... Nb4) where black draws, doesn't make it a good move. Carlsen or an engine can play 1. e3 2. Ke2 3. Ke1 & win, doesn't make it not terrible.

@Sarg0n said ^

Then, 6.d4 is better. Wait, not so easy.

So, I rest my case^^

That's chess, it's not always so easy even winning a much better position. But white should win and more often than not, does.

Among the livers, I found that I like chicken liver more than calves' liver.

But that might have to do with an arguably natural tendency to have more sympathy for a calf than for a chicken.

I'm not saying chickens don't deserve sympathy. But look at a poor little calf. Those big, innocent eyes. Oy. Better to leave their livers in situ

As for the opening, it doesn't even come up unless white plays 1 e4 ?! And that would seem about as questionable as stealing the liver of an innocent calf.

On the other hand, if one is facing the Fried Liver Attack one cannot be chicken, either.

And so the matter comes full circle. All things in life are connected, just below the surface.

"Black already is not playing well with the blunder Nxd5"

• ...Nxd5 is no blunder, it is still within the drawing margin.
  The position is hard to play for both sides.

"why would he play like a computer after that?"

• Maybe because he has studied it.

"White is much better"

• but a knight down. If white's attack fizzles, then white loses.

"Carlsen or an engine can play 1. e3 2. Ke2 3. Ke1 & win"

• No, that would lose in ICCF correspondence.

[Event "Tromso Olympiad"] [Site "Tromso NOR"] [Date "2014.08.03"] [White "Alexey Shirov"] [Black "Sarunas Sulskis"] [ECO "C57"] [WhiteElo "2709"] [BlackElo "2544"] 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 Ng5 d5 5 exd5 Nxd5 6 Nxf7 Kxf7 7 Qf3+ Ke6 8 Nc3 Nb4 9 a3 Nxc2+ 10 Kd1 Nxa1 11 Nxd5 Kd6 12 d4 Be6 13 Re1 b5 14 Nb4 bxc4 15 Qc6+ Ke7 16 Bg5+ Kf7 17 Bxd8 Rxd8 18 Qxc7+ Rd7 19 Qxe5 Rd6 20 d5 Bd7 21 Qf4+ Kg8 22 Qxc4 a5 23 Nd3 a4 24 Nc5 h5 25 Nxd7 Rxd7 26 d6+ Kh7 27 Re6 g6 28 Rxg6 1-0
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1765926

"[White "Alexey Shirov"] [Black "Sarunas Sulskis"]"

• 11...Nd6?? is a blunder, 11...Qh4 wins for black.
  In ICCF correspondence 5...Nxd5 draws, in over the board play between humans the better player wins.
  
  https://lichess.org/eb7VRWqb#21