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is it bad etiquete to aim for a stalemate when you're clearly down in material/about to lose?

Toscani

If every ply adds a minute to your pleasure, then aim for the stalemate. It's no longer your problem to end the game. Chess is a game of pleasure, and someone is always going to lose something. When a higher-rated player expects an easy victory, they should question their own ethics. The lower-rated player needs to teach them some tough love, as they seem to have forgotten how to actually play out a winning game. If the roles were reversed, the higher-rated player wouldn't just resign to a lower-rated opponent. Ethics and respect are not a one-way street.

If every ply adds a minute to your pleasure, then aim for the stalemate. It's no longer your problem to end the game. Chess is a game of pleasure, and someone is always going to lose something. When a higher-rated player expects an easy victory, they should question their own ethics. The lower-rated player needs to teach them some tough love, as they seem to have forgotten how to actually play out a winning game. If the roles were reversed, the higher-rated player wouldn't just resign to a lower-rated opponent. Ethics and respect are not a one-way street.
pmpsoft

Thanks h2b2, just tested the resign button (challenged Stockfish 8, knowing I'd reach a resignable position soon) and it worked. Looks like good design to prevent accidental touching.

Thanks h2b2, just tested the resign button (challenged Stockfish 8, knowing I'd reach a resignable position soon) and it worked. Looks like good design to prevent accidental touching.
smaha123

@smaha123 said ^

In my opinion,
It's never bad to convert games that are completely losing...
You can check my profile games to find that I WIN a few losing games every now and then (by flagging)... I don't think it's your fault to do so because it's your opponent who's not careful.
Chess is brutal and such things happen if one is not watchful.
What I feel is unfair is that in tournaments when your losing opponent is ahead of you in a tournament (in rank) and the tournament just ends like that. You won't get any tournament points even though you win the game (even with berserk).

@smaha123 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/4ArjmMlH) > In my opinion, > It's never bad to convert games that are completely losing... > You can check my profile games to find that I WIN a few losing games every now and then (by flagging)... I don't think it's your fault to do so because it's your opponent who's not careful. > Chess is brutal and such things happen if one is not watchful. > What I feel is unfair is that in tournaments when your losing opponent is ahead of you in a tournament (in rank) and the tournament just ends like that. You won't get any tournament points even though you win the game (even with berserk).
gs003

@discoooooord said ^

@gs003 playing on in a losing position means less fun for both sides compared to an equal game and neither side is gonna really learn anything from it, at least not more than an equal game. So what do you choose? Fun and actual strategic improvement by moving onto the next game OR you can try for the mere chance or cope of your opponent blundering so that you can leech out the miniscule smallest b...

not really about ratings. I think playing out is fun, even if I'm low on material, I can learn from my opponent on how to cm.

@discoooooord said [^](/forum/redirect/post/vFFFXpV3) > @gs003 playing on in a losing position means less fun for both sides compared to an equal game and neither side is gonna really learn anything from it, at least not more than an equal game. So what do you choose? Fun and actual strategic improvement by moving onto the next game OR you can try for the mere chance or cope of your opponent blundering so that you can leech out the miniscule smallest b... not really about ratings. I think playing out is fun, even if I'm low on material, I can learn from my opponent on how to cm.
discoooooord

@gs003 said ^

@gs003 playing on in a losing position means less fun for both sides compared to an equal game and neither side is gonna really learn anything from it, at least not more than an equal game. So what do you choose? Fun and actual strategic improvement by moving onto the next game OR you can try for the mere chance or cope of your opponent blund...

what's more fun? An equal game, with equal stakes, and a dynamic flourishing middle game? Or a game that is basically already decided, you already know who will 99% chance win no matter what they do?

@gs003 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/ZcXHGXi4) > > @gs003 playing on in a losing position means less fun for both sides compared to an equal game and neither side is gonna really learn anything from it, at least not more than an equal game. So what do you choose? Fun and actual strategic improvement by moving onto the next game OR you can try for the mere chance or cope of your opponent blund... what's more fun? An equal game, with equal stakes, and a dynamic flourishing middle game? Or a game that is basically already decided, you already know who will 99% chance win no matter what they do?
gs003

@Toscani said ^

If every ply adds a minute to your pleasure, then aim for the stalemate. It's no longer your problem to end the game. Chess is a game of pleasure, and someone is always going to lose something. When a higher-rated player expects an easy victory, they should question their own ethics. The lower-rated player needs to teach them some tough love, as they seem to have forgotten how to actually play out...

right, it was the expectation I should resign. I think playing out is fun, even if low on material there's there's still a chance to even things out, that's why time/stale exists.

even reversing the roles where I am ahead and my opponent resigns I usually send a polite message encouraging not to do that, anything can happen.

@Toscani said [^](/forum/redirect/post/0ofWO1FI) > If every ply adds a minute to your pleasure, then aim for the stalemate. It's no longer your problem to end the game. Chess is a game of pleasure, and someone is always going to lose something. When a higher-rated player expects an easy victory, they should question their own ethics. The lower-rated player needs to teach them some tough love, as they seem to have forgotten how to actually play out... right, it was the expectation I should resign. I think playing out is fun, even if low on material there's there's still a chance to even things out, that's why time/stale exists. even reversing the roles where I am ahead and my opponent resigns I usually send a polite message encouraging not to do that, anything can happen.
gs003

@discoooooord said ^

@gs003 playing on in a losing position means less fun for both sides compared to an equal game and neither side is gonna really learn anything from it, at least not more than an equal game. So what do you choose? Fun and actual strategic improvement by moving onto the next game OR you can try for the mere chance or cope of your opponent blund...

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playing is fun. I don't have an ego to fulfil, just play.

@discoooooord said [^](/forum/redirect/post/SppLLaM2) > > > @gs003 playing on in a losing position means less fun for both sides compared to an equal game and neither side is gonna really learn anything from it, at least not more than an equal game. So what do you choose? Fun and actual strategic improvement by moving onto the next game OR you can try for the mere chance or cope of your opponent blund... > > ... playing is fun. I don't have an ego to fulfil, just play.
discoooooord

I feel like the need to mention, stalemate should be
@gs003 said ^

@gs003 playing on in a losing position means less fun for both sides compared to an equal game and neither side is gonna really learn anything from it, at least not more than an equal game. So what do you choose? Fun and actual strategic improvement by moving onto the next game OR you can try for the mere chance or cope of your opponent b...

You're ignoring the entire argument mate, if you don't want opinions just validation for your behaviour, you should go somewhere else. -

I feel like the need to mention, stalemate should be @gs003 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/fF4ZXPGT) > > > > @gs003 playing on in a losing position means less fun for both sides compared to an equal game and neither side is gonna really learn anything from it, at least not more than an equal game. So what do you choose? Fun and actual strategic improvement by moving onto the next game OR you can try for the mere chance or cope of your opponent b... You're ignoring the entire argument mate, if you don't want opinions just validation for your behaviour, you should go somewhere else. -
gs003

@discoooooord said ^

I feel like the need to mention, stalemate should be
@gs003 said ^

@gs003 playing on in a losing position means less fun for both sides compared to an equal game and neither side is gonna really learn anything from it, at least not more than an equal game. So what do you choose? Fun and actual strategic improvement by moving onto the next game OR you can ...

not ignoring, just giving my own take. which is my whole question: i like to play until the end, even if on a losing hand, i think it's fun. but someone pointed out i should have resigned, so i'm opening to everyone to ehar different opinions. someone makes a point, it perfectly normal to comment.

@discoooooord said [^](/forum/redirect/post/cagkx4Rq) > I feel like the need to mention, stalemate should be > @gs003 said [^](/forum/redirect/post/fF4ZXPGT) > > > > > @gs003 playing on in a losing position means less fun for both sides compared to an equal game and neither side is gonna really learn anything from it, at least not more than an equal game. So what do you choose? Fun and actual strategic improvement by moving onto the next game OR you can ... not ignoring, just giving my own take. which is my whole question: i like to play until the end, even if on a losing hand, i think it's fun. but someone pointed out i should have resigned, so i'm opening to everyone to ehar different opinions. someone makes a point, it perfectly normal to comment.