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The TSW Challenge

Wow. That's truly "Old School." But I once had a portable phone that was about that size!

Wow. That's truly "Old School." But I once had a portable phone that was about that size!

It's not easy because the daily tournaments only last an hour and there is a limit to the number of games possible in an hour.

Even the 1+1 • Bullet • 27 minutes ago, the number one player could not get 10 games played in that tournament.
We have to go to a time control of ½+0 • HyperBullet to get over 10 games in a row.

So we need to find a tournament that has a Win rate of 100% with Games played = 10
Good luck in finding that unless you create a python script to find that person.

I think the only thing it proves is a player can be under rated and the opponent over rated. One thing it might prove is the pairing system is working to get a winner.

A 50% chance of winning in chess does not really produce a streak of 10 in a row. I ask AI what the odds are of having the same number pop up 10 times in a row. The odds of a specific number appearing 10 times in a row on a standard six-sided die are 1 in 60,466,176.

It's not easy because the daily tournaments only last an hour and there is a limit to the number of games possible in an hour. Even the 1+1 • Bullet • 27 minutes ago, the number one player could not get 10 games played in that tournament. We have to go to a time control of ½+0 • HyperBullet to get over 10 games in a row. So we need to find a tournament that has a Win rate of 100% with Games played = 10 Good luck in finding that unless you create a python script to find that person. I think the only thing it proves is a player can be under rated and the opponent over rated. One thing it might prove is the pairing system is working to get a winner. A 50% chance of winning in chess does not really produce a streak of 10 in a row. I ask AI what the odds are of having the same number pop up 10 times in a row. The odds of a specific number appearing 10 times in a row on a standard six-sided die are 1 in 60,466,176.

Found a number one player that had more than 10 in a row.
tournament/H3IPunVo

Found a number one player that had more than 10 in a row. tournament/H3IPunVo

Well, a chess game doesn't have a 6-sided result.

When you play chess you can win, lose, or draw. But among lower-rated amateurs, especially, draws rarely happen.

APPROXIMATELY, let's say, we have a 50 percent chance of winning each game. That's equivalent to 1/2 the time.

(1/2)^10 = 1 / 2^10 = 1/1024 -- or about 1/10th of 1 percent.

In a big chess server, that actually happens.

But it's not all about random chance. Sometimes, we just start playing beyond our rating for a time. We do a bit better. We have a streak.

I'm still awaiting the glorious day when somebody ACCURATELY announces that THEY have actually had a ten-win streak SINCE THIS THREAD STARTED.

I'm only capitalizing because I seem not be to communicating clearly, for some reason.

Well, a chess game doesn't have a 6-sided result. When you play chess you can win, lose, or draw. But among lower-rated amateurs, especially, draws rarely happen. APPROXIMATELY, let's say, we have a 50 percent chance of winning each game. That's equivalent to 1/2 the time. (1/2)^10 = 1 / 2^10 = 1/1024 -- or about 1/10th of 1 percent. In a big chess server, that actually happens. But it's not all about random chance. Sometimes, we just start playing beyond our rating for a time. We do a bit better. We have a streak. I'm still awaiting the glorious day when somebody ACCURATELY announces that THEY have actually had a ten-win streak SINCE THIS THREAD STARTED. I'm only capitalizing because I seem not be to communicating clearly, for some reason.

I think achievements would really cheapen the experience on Lichess. Also, they could encourage bad behavior. For example, an achievement like "lose your queen in the first 10 moves and win anyway" would obviously be pretty bad because trying to get that achievement would entail a lot of losing against players you normally wouldn't as you sac your queen against them. But even your seemingly innocent TSW achievement could encourage people to make an agreement with a friend where they throw 10 games in a row to each other in order to both get the achievement. It would also make Lichess more like chess.com, which isn't a good thing. Chess.com probably has achievements in order to draw in users and make playing more addicting and making them less likely to leave, thus getting chess.com more money. In contrast, Lichess does it for the love of the game, so there's no reason to have achievements.

I think achievements would really cheapen the experience on Lichess. Also, they could encourage bad behavior. For example, an achievement like "lose your queen in the first 10 moves and win anyway" would obviously be pretty bad because trying to get that achievement would entail a lot of losing against players you normally wouldn't as you sac your queen against them. But even your seemingly innocent TSW achievement could encourage people to make an agreement with a friend where they throw 10 games in a row to each other in order to both get the achievement. It would also make Lichess more like chess.com, which isn't a good thing. Chess.com probably has achievements in order to draw in users and make playing more addicting and making them less likely to leave, thus getting chess.com more money. In contrast, Lichess does it for the love of the game, so there's no reason to have achievements.

@Noflaps said in #1:

Chess online is essentially a videogame.

So, shouldn't there be new "achievements" from time to time, to be achieved and then flaunted? Of course. Even some flight simulators offer "achievements."

Well, here's one possibility: the TSW Achievement.

In some fashion (although while properly observing the rules of chess and of its Guardian Angel Lichess), can you:

Win ten chess games (of any kind -- any time limit and any variant, even mixed) at Lichess in a row? NOT ONE DRAW OR LOSS DURING THE 10 GAME SEQUENCE. (Sorry to shout, but I want to be understood even by the hard-of-reading).

I shall call that (for myself, at least) the "Ten Sequential Wins (ergo: TSW) Achievement."

It's actually rather difficult to achieve. When you achieve it, you might feel entitled to strut a bit. Or perhaps to order your beverages "shaken, not stirred." Or perhaps even to feel entitled to speak with a posh British accent, while wearing an ascot.

It might even make you feel like you have the wonderful golden-orange mane of hair!

It's probably best not to respond to this post until you've actually earned the TSW Achievement. And remember -- we can all check your recent wins and losses in your profile, I think. So don't try to kid a kidder.

What nonsense? It's done elementarily. Just take opponents, for example, 1000 rating points lower. And that's it. Such a difference in rating means that the expected score in a game against them is approximately 243:1 (and this 1 is most likely a disconnect). During these 244 games there will be a bunch of series of 10 wins in a row. Most likely, there will also be a series of more than 100 wins in a row. Even in games with opponents of approximately the same rating level, any chess player can have series greater than you write. For example, at Lichess (in games against players relatively close in rating), at the moment, my series of wins in a row were:

  • 18 wins in a row in rapid;
  • 13 wins in a row in blitz;
  • 19 wins in a row in bullet.
    Not trying to win as many victories as possible. It just happened that way.
@Noflaps said in #1: > Chess online is essentially a videogame. > > So, shouldn't there be new "achievements" from time to time, to be achieved and then flaunted? Of course. Even some flight simulators offer "achievements." > > Well, here's one possibility: the TSW Achievement. > > In some fashion (although while properly observing the rules of chess and of its Guardian Angel Lichess), can you: > > Win ten chess games (of any kind -- any time limit and any variant, even mixed) at Lichess in a row? NOT ONE DRAW OR LOSS DURING THE 10 GAME SEQUENCE. (Sorry to shout, but I want to be understood even by the hard-of-reading). > > I shall call that (for myself, at least) the "Ten Sequential Wins (ergo: TSW) Achievement." > > It's actually rather difficult to achieve. When you achieve it, you might feel entitled to strut a bit. Or perhaps to order your beverages "shaken, not stirred." Or perhaps even to feel entitled to speak with a posh British accent, while wearing an ascot. > > It might even make you feel like you have the wonderful golden-orange mane of hair! > > It's probably best not to respond to this post until you've actually earned the TSW Achievement. And remember -- we can all check your recent wins and losses in your profile, I think. So don't try to kid a kidder. What nonsense? It's done elementarily. Just take opponents, for example, 1000 rating points lower. And that's it. Such a difference in rating means that the expected score in a game against them is approximately 243:1 (and this 1 is most likely a disconnect). During these 244 games there will be a bunch of series of 10 wins in a row. Most likely, there will also be a series of more than 100 wins in a row. Even in games with opponents of approximately the same rating level, any chess player can have series greater than you write. For example, at Lichess (in games against players relatively close in rating), at the moment, my series of wins in a row were: - 18 wins in a row in rapid; - 13 wins in a row in blitz; - 19 wins in a row in bullet. Not trying to win as many victories as possible. It just happened that way.

@Noflaps said in #22:

So far, in this thread I have still seen only references to the past, with all but one of them pretty vague.

Since I began this thread (about two days ago), I've seen NO RECENT (post-thread-starting) claims to have achieved the TSW Achievement that I have been able to actually verify after looking.

Remember -- we can easily check anybody's wins and losses simply by looking at their game record. And so far, since this thread began, I've seen no ten game win streaks. If it has happened, it has not been brought to my attention, apparently.

The achievement must, indeed, be as difficult to achieve as I suspected.

It appears to me that the clock is still running! When will the noble achievement be achieved (since this thread first began -- not years ago). I await the shining moment.

By the way. If you want, I can beat you 10 times in a row. Do you want? My ratings now: 2292 in rapid, 2200 in blitz, 2232 in bullet. You only have a rating of 1575 in blitz. The difference between my and your ratings in blitz is 2200-1575=625 points. Which means the expected score in a match between you and me in blitz is about 29:1 in my favor. But chess is too much of a drawish game, plus the rating calculation method is such that the advantage of the stronger player is slightly less. But approximately so. But, in order to avoid any suspicions, I suggest playing not blitz, but bullet with a control of 1+1. I suggest playing a match of 30 games. Friendly games, not rating games (it is not advantageous to play rating games against much weaker opponents, this is true for almost everyone). In such a match I expect (with probability close to 100%) to get a series or series of my victories in a row over you of 10 or more of my victories in a row. You want to see a completely new series like this - here you will get such a series.

@Noflaps said in #22: > So far, in this thread I have still seen only references to the past, with all but one of them pretty vague. > > Since I began this thread (about two days ago), I've seen NO RECENT (post-thread-starting) claims to have achieved the TSW Achievement that I have been able to actually verify after looking. > > Remember -- we can easily check anybody's wins and losses simply by looking at their game record. And so far, since this thread began, I've seen no ten game win streaks. If it has happened, it has not been brought to my attention, apparently. > > The achievement must, indeed, be as difficult to achieve as I suspected. > > It appears to me that the clock is still running! When will the noble achievement be achieved (since this thread first began -- not years ago). I await the shining moment. By the way. If you want, I can beat you 10 times in a row. Do you want? My ratings now: 2292 in rapid, 2200 in blitz, 2232 in bullet. You only have a rating of 1575 in blitz. The difference between my and your ratings in blitz is 2200-1575=625 points. Which means the expected score in a match between you and me in blitz is about 29:1 in my favor. But chess is too much of a drawish game, plus the rating calculation method is such that the advantage of the stronger player is slightly less. But approximately so. But, in order to avoid any suspicions, I suggest playing not blitz, but bullet with a control of 1+1. I suggest playing a match of 30 games. Friendly games, not rating games (it is not advantageous to play rating games against much weaker opponents, this is true for almost everyone). In such a match I expect (with probability close to 100%) to get a series or series of my victories in a row over you of 10 or more of my victories in a row. You want to see a completely new series like this - here you will get such a series.

Chess is drawish, because engines or players considered a draw a win. If it was considered a loss, the game would rarely draw. But at the moment the players both get a half point. If only one had a half point and the other no points. Than the player that needs to win would take the risky path instead of the drawish path.

At the moment the chess goals are all made to avoid a loss at all costs, and a draw successfully achieves that.

Chess is drawish, because engines or players considered a draw a win. If it was considered a loss, the game would rarely draw. But at the moment the players both get a half point. If only one had a half point and the other no points. Than the player that needs to win would take the risky path instead of the drawish path. At the moment the chess goals are all made to avoid a loss at all costs, and a draw successfully achieves that.

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