Ok in this case is not an AI fault I haven't asked for Lichess specifically. But I would prefore that in Lichess you could set at the beginning of the match what is permitted and what not,. So if I want to do a game I can decide if endgame tablebases are permitted or not.If I decide that engines are legal I can set it. And so on.
Ok in this case is not an AI fault I haven't asked for Lichess specifically. But I would prefore that in Lichess you could set at the beginning of the match what is permitted and what not,. So if I want to do a game I can decide if endgame tablebases are permitted or not.If I decide that engines are legal I can set it. And so on.
I generally don't use any help at all, in spite of Lichess having allowances for correspondence chess. I might not win very many games, but I feel better about it. Now, I am not calling anyone a cheater. I just feel it is safer to rely on my own abilities.
I generally don't use any help at all, in spite of Lichess having allowances for correspondence chess. I might not win very many games, but I feel better about it. Now, I am not calling anyone a cheater. I just feel it is safer to rely on my own abilities.
@StefanoTrezzi said ^
But I would prefore that in Lichess you could set at the beginning of the match what is permitted and what not,.
You think people want to read the rules before each match? Surely once, when you create your account is enough you did read the Terms, right?
@StefanoTrezzi said [^](/forum/redirect/post/jahq5OEr)
> But I would prefore that in Lichess you could set at the beginning of the match what is permitted and what not,.
You think people want to read the rules before each match? Surely once, when you create your account is enough you did read the Terms, right?
mcGoves no it's not enough to read the terms if the terms are against the rules that are accepted from international federations . In ICCF is legal for example to use databases. So the chess in lichess maybe are not the real chess but just another game with other rules. I would like that there are just one rule for chess, but now is not so. So a platform should provide ù the chance to play with at least all possible options foreseen by major international federations.
mcGoves no it's not enough to read the terms if the terms are against the rules that are accepted from international federations . In ICCF is legal for example to use databases. So the chess in lichess maybe are not the real chess but just another game with other rules. I would like that there are just one rule for chess, but now is not so. So a platform should provide ù the chance to play with at least all possible options foreseen by major international federations.
@StefanoTrezzi said ^
mcGoves no it's not enough to read the terms if the terms are against the rules that are accepted from international federations . In ICCF is legal for example to use databases. So the chess in lichess maybe are not the real chess but just another game with other rules. I would like that there are just one rule for chess, but now is not so. So a platform should provide ù the chance to play with...
Despite everything else going on in this thread, personally I'd be OK with Lichess changing their rule. Yes, all players read and agree to Lichess' Terms of Service, however I see no benefit in Lichess policing use of endgame tablebases for correspondence play.
I make a recommendation that for correspondence chess, Lichess automate TB position claims https://github.com/lichess-org/lila/issues/21753
@StefanoTrezzi said [^](/forum/redirect/post/k216b6Pa)
> mcGoves no it's not enough to read the terms if the terms are against the rules that are accepted from international federations . In ICCF is legal for example to use databases. So the chess in lichess maybe are not the real chess but just another game with other rules. I would like that there are just one rule for chess, but now is not so. So a platform should provide ù the chance to play with...
Despite everything else going on in this thread, personally I'd be OK with Lichess changing their rule. Yes, all players read and agree to Lichess' Terms of Service, however I see no benefit in Lichess policing use of endgame tablebases for correspondence play.
I make a recommendation that for correspondence chess, Lichess automate TB position claims https://github.com/lichess-org/lila/issues/21753
In my opinion it would be sad if Lichess changed the rule about no endgame tablebase use in correspondence. One big benefit that players get from playing slow games, and especially correspondence, is that many games will reach an endgame and the players can enjoy practising (and showing off!) their endgame technique. But if tablebase use is allowed, suddenly the game will be effectively over once there are 7 or fewer pieces left on the board. No more practising of the endgame K+R+P vs K+R, or K+R+B vs K+R or countless others.
I was a member of the green pawn site (I've mended my ways since then!) at the time when the powers that be over there suddenly decided to allow tablebase use in correspondence. A howl of protest resulted, and the decision was reversed after, I think, about 10 days. Don't let's make the same mistake here!
In my opinion it would be sad if Lichess changed the rule about no endgame tablebase use in correspondence. One big benefit that players get from playing slow games, and especially correspondence, is that many games will reach an endgame and the players can enjoy practising (and showing off!) their endgame technique. But if tablebase use is allowed, suddenly the game will be effectively over once there are 7 or fewer pieces left on the board. No more practising of the endgame K+R+P vs K+R, or K+R+B vs K+R or countless others.
I was a member of the green pawn site (I've mended my ways since then!) at the time when the powers that be over there suddenly decided to allow tablebase use in correspondence. A howl of protest resulted, and the decision was reversed after, I think, about 10 days. Don't let's make the same mistake here!
In a Lichess correspondence game, you can click on the small microscope icon, and an analysis board of the game will pop up. Unike the normal analysis board, the "cheating" options cannot be enabled. So this is a safe way.to explore what you can or cannot do.
In a Lichess correspondence game, you can click on the small microscope icon, and an analysis board of the game will pop up. Unike the normal analysis board, the "cheating" options cannot be enabled. So this is a safe way.to explore what you can or cannot do.
It is worrying that people use AI to gain information instead of / without doing their own research. (In this case, 'research' is just reading the rules on a website.)
Even worse, when people use AI for legal advice...
It is worrying that people use AI to gain information instead of / without doing their own research. (In this case, 'research' is just reading the rules on a website.)
Even worse, when people use AI for legal advice...
@Brian-E said ^
One big benefit that players get from playing slow games, and especially correspondence, is that many games will reach an endgame and the players can enjoy practising (and showing off!) their endgame technique. But if tablebase use is allowed, suddenly the game will be effectively over once there are 7 or fewer pieces left on the board. No more practising of the endgame K+R+P vs K+R, or K+R+B vs K+R or countless others.
Let's keep in mind that time controls include "14 days/move" so (unless you set conditional moves) this process could be like:
- Play the best move
- Wait 2 weeks for the opponent to reply
- Repeat 1-2 for as many moves as required
Some endgames require 50-100 moves or more to complete (if the ideal result is a draw, often more since one player may try to avoid the 50-move rule). Even for the most patient players who don't mind the wait... it's with good reason correspondence players call this cycle the Dead Man's Defense (or Attack), as these endgames can take years to complete.
@Brian-E said [^](/forum/redirect/post/G2o3wYUx)
> One big benefit that players get from playing slow games, and especially correspondence, is that many games will reach an endgame and the players can enjoy practising (and showing off!) their endgame technique. But if tablebase use is allowed, suddenly the game will be effectively over once there are 7 or fewer pieces left on the board. No more practising of the endgame K+R+P vs K+R, or K+R+B vs K+R or countless others.
Let's keep in mind that time controls include "14 days/move" so (unless you set conditional moves) this process could be like:
1. Play the best move
2. Wait 2 weeks for the opponent to reply
3. Repeat 1-2 for as many moves as required
Some endgames require 50-100 moves or more to complete (if the ideal result is a draw, often more since one player may try to avoid the 50-move rule). Even for the most patient players who don't mind the wait... it's with good reason correspondence players call this cycle the Dead Man's Defense (or Attack), as these endgames can take years to complete.
In any case now I have the link to the Lichess terms. This Is good. But can anyonetell me from the home page of lichess how can I find it without the direct link? I still haven't found :)
In any case now I have the link to the Lichess terms. This Is good. But can anyonetell me from the home page of lichess how can I find it without the direct link? I still haven't found :)