Republican candidates abandon Trump

They replaced him with Emperor Nero I assume?

It's interesting that when I dare to respond in such political threads, which seem to pop up now with some regularity, I get called a "propogandist" by some, even though I am certainly not being employed to write.

Fascinating.

I hope all these enthusiasts who don't like Trump will actually read and consider the platforms of any party or political organization that opposes Trump. And real...

all this is true

@Noflaps said [^](/forum/redirect/post/GC6seXgC) > It's interesting that when I dare to respond in such political threads, which seem to pop up now with some regularity, I get called a "propogandist" by some, even though I am certainly not being employed to write. > > Fascinating. > > I hope all these enthusiasts who don't like Trump will actually read and consider the platforms of any party or political organization that opposes Trump. And real... all this is true

Noflaps

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@salmon_rushdie , I hope we agree on the meaning of "does not criminalize."

Courts will not always agree with you or any of us, bud.

That doesn't necessarily mean the court is wrong. Oddly enough, the justices of the Supreme Court and their typically brilliant law clerks know much more law, and reason more ably, than many, many, many, many posters.

Sorry.

You seriously might want to read about Clarence Thomas's life. He is an amazing, kind and enduring man, worthy of much sympathy and great respect -- even if he doesn't always decide things as many on the Left seem to feel he should, which no doubt disappoints and perhaps confuses them.

Oh, and thank you, @Firestar540 . I appreciate your kind comment. It is difficult to find support in some fora, even though I am in no way an extremist and simply value the enduring and hallowed institutions of the West.

My prayers lie with France, too. France means well, and doesn't deserve destruction and chaos.

@salmon_rushdie , I hope we agree on the meaning of "does not criminalize." Courts will not always agree with you or any of us, bud. That doesn't necessarily mean the court is wrong. Oddly enough, the justices of the Supreme Court and their typically brilliant law clerks know much more law, and reason more ably, than many, many, many, many posters. Sorry. You seriously might want to read about Clarence Thomas's life. He is an amazing, kind and enduring man, worthy of much sympathy and great respect -- even if he doesn't always decide things as many on the Left seem to feel he should, which no doubt disappoints and perhaps confuses them. Oh, and thank you, @Firestar540 . I appreciate your kind comment. It is difficult to find support in some fora, even though I am in no way an extremist and simply value the enduring and hallowed institutions of the West. My prayers lie with France, too. France means well, and doesn't deserve destruction and chaos.

PureProgressionFTW

@Noflaps said ^

It's interesting that when I dare to respond in such political threads, which seem to pop up now with some regularity, I get called a "propogandist" by some, even though I am certainly not being employed to write.

Man that's sad you're not even getting paid for this...

Noflaps

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It's not a problem, @PureProgressionFTW

My needs are small and my wants are mostly without price. Indeed, that's part of what's charming about Lichess -- it provides chess with people across the globe without charging an arm and a leg. Or even a finger.

It's not a problem, @PureProgressionFTW My needs are small and my wants are mostly without price. Indeed, that's part of what's charming about Lichess -- it provides chess with people across the globe without charging an arm and a leg. Or even a finger.

greenteakitten

Haven't really been following politics but I would assume that the main reason anybody rallied behind Trump in the first place was not to split the vote? You'd be hard pressed to find that many hardcore MAGA in the whole country, but there are few people who have half as large of a crowd, not that I wouldn't be happy to see someone else...

Trump can't even run for a third term anyway though; I don't see why people need to back him at all at this point?

m011235

However, what might seal his fate might be something as mundane but important as gas prices. Had he not gone to war with Iran, maybe he and the republican party might be in a much stronger shape facing next week elections. Many of his landmark policies are still widely popular (lowering of prescription drug prices, deportation of illegal migrants, see latest Harris poll).

On the upside, Trump has ended with decades of hypocrisy in US international relations. No more of the freedom fairy tales, he laid bare US interests and takes no issue with publicly blackmailing and threatening other countries and their leaders. I don't support it but at least it makes sense and some honesty is welcome. Though parting ways with as close a neighbor as Canada is just stupid and beyond me. Even a number one (though for how much longer? Hi China) needs allies.

Still, as Brazil reminded, a lot can happen in one week. As a final remark, I find a bit sad that increasingly politics is about personal attacks and about voting against something, instead of being reasonably informed of policies and voting in favor of ideas and proposals (I include myself). Trump cannot be blamed for all of it, but played an important part: he has been incredibly successful at hijacking the public debate. Or was, as this thread points out.

In a sense, it's surprising this did not happen before, given how mean (e.g. routinely insulting people on social media) Trump has been with pretty much anyone who gets in his way, democrats and republicans (e.g. Massie) alike. Regularly touting how great are his "numbers", deciding who are "great" people and who are "losers". However, what might seal his fate might be something as mundane but important as gas prices. Had he not gone to war with Iran, maybe he and the republican party might be in a much stronger shape facing next week elections. Many of his landmark policies are still widely popular (lowering of prescription drug prices, deportation of illegal migrants, see latest Harris poll). On the upside, Trump has ended with decades of hypocrisy in US international relations. No more of the freedom fairy tales, he laid bare US interests and takes no issue with publicly blackmailing and threatening other countries and their leaders. I don't support it but at least it makes sense and some honesty is welcome. Though parting ways with as close a neighbor as Canada is just stupid and beyond me. Even a number one (though for how much longer? Hi China) needs allies. Still, as Brazil reminded, a lot can happen in one week. As a final remark, I find a bit sad that increasingly politics is about personal attacks and about voting against something, instead of being reasonably informed of policies and voting in favor of ideas and proposals (I include myself). Trump cannot be blamed for all of it, but played an important part: he has been incredibly successful at hijacking the public debate. Or was, as this thread points out.

Noflaps

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You don't see why people need to back him?

He's the president of the United States. Canadians certainly don't need to "back" him. But ordinary Republicans are citizens of America, not some other country.

And he has worked tirelessly -- amazingly so for a man of his age, especially -- trying to serve the interests of his country rather than the narrow interests of the Left or of many who seem to scorn the very institutions of American government that have created progress -- and even at times have helped to save Europe -- for a quarter of a millennium.

I don't agree with everything Trump does. I sincerely don't. I disagreed, for example, with his approach to certain law firms.

And I was not wild about his tax cuts -- even though they DEMONSTRABLY help "the workin' man" and "seniors" -- despite the nonsensical claim that Trump only wants to cut the taxes of "the wealthy." The "wealthy" typically don't get paid "tips" and "overtime" or collect much "social security." That's simply fact -- ignoring it suggests a stubborn unwillingness to depart from dumb political fashion.

Furthermore, his rhetoric sometimes causes him unnecessary trouble -- especially since many on the Left seem humorless and strident and unable to tell when he (or others) are merely joking,

But he's been smeared, lied about and attacked, again and again, even nearly killed, and ... for what? Because he has the unfashionable affrontery to put the nation he leads FIRST on his priority list, rather than bow to the desires of others to dismantle the institutions of his own country, or at least to maintain a status quo that has, in some places, fostered massive waste, fraud and abuse. Not to mention that some of those others hold some opinions and promote some actions that border on a certain (nevertheless stylish) lunacy that does NOT help the country he serves.

I notice that many posters from OTHER countries don't like Trump. But Trump isn't in office to pursue and promote THEIR interests. We all realize that, right? (Even if some resent it).

The ordinary Republicans who support Trump are typically in no way extremists. They certainly aren't "racists" or "fascists" or "Nazis" or any of the other idiotic, hateful labels that many reflexively try to apply to them.

Wanting NOT to grow bigger and bigger and bigger and more centralized government is not REMOTELY fascist. It's the OPPOSITE of autocracy. Fascist leaders lead ... a government. And typically want that government to become more and more powerful.

That's the OPPOSITE of what I believe most Republicans want. And Trump has tried to CUT the size of some agncies. Typical Republicans are, I believe, TIRED of reading about (giggle) billions of dollars of fraud, waste or abuse being discovered under the very noses, so to speak, of those tasked with spending public funds wisely.

If any don't know about that, or think it's just fantasy, perhaps they should review their favorite and constant sources of news to see if those sources are leaving them without knowledge of much that goes on in the world that is simply, for them, politically inconvenient.

Did those same sources tell them that America's borders were "secure" even as more than ten million streamed across, many of whom were inadequately vetted and genuinely dangerous? And leaving a huge number of children unaccounted for?

Did those same sources nod along with the notion that we were all recently seeing "the best Biden ever?" Or claiming that Trump said, in a speech, something that he EXPRESSLY REFUTED in that very same speech?

Are those same sources trying to nod along with the idea that adequate self-identification is an impossible and unfair dream for adults, when voting? Why on earth would any serious person or politician pretend that it's okay to require ID to drink or rent an apartment or enter some Democrat fundraising events, but NOT okay to vote? Ponder that.

Did those same sources ignore or excuse massive inflation under one administration, while exaggerating the effects of inflation under the current one? Oil prices have been worse BEFORE this administration, and for longer. Please don't just believe me -- check!

Many Americans are being slowly indoctrinated to dislike their own institutions and think that somehow nations are obsolete. They should remember what happened in Rome. Or perhaps look across the pond to see what's going on in some parts of Europe, even as I type. Sometimes, fashionable positions are not very intelligent or foresightful.

You don't see why people need to back him? He's the president of the United States. Canadians certainly don't need to "back" him. But ordinary Republicans are citizens of America, not some other country. And he has worked tirelessly -- amazingly so for a man of his age, especially -- trying to serve the interests of his country rather than the narrow interests of the Left or of many who seem to scorn the very institutions of American government that have created progress -- and even at times have helped to save Europe -- for a quarter of a millennium. I don't agree with everything Trump does. I sincerely don't. I disagreed, for example, with his approach to certain law firms. And I was not wild about his tax cuts -- even though they DEMONSTRABLY help "the workin' man" and "seniors" -- despite the nonsensical claim that Trump only wants to cut the taxes of "the wealthy." The "wealthy" typically don't get paid "tips" and "overtime" or collect much "social security." That's simply fact -- ignoring it suggests a stubborn unwillingness to depart from dumb political fashion. Furthermore, his rhetoric sometimes causes him unnecessary trouble -- especially since many on the Left seem humorless and strident and unable to tell when he (or others) are merely joking, But he's been smeared, lied about and attacked, again and again, even nearly killed, and ... for what? Because he has the unfashionable affrontery to put the nation he leads FIRST on his priority list, rather than bow to the desires of others to dismantle the institutions of his own country, or at least to maintain a status quo that has, in some places, fostered massive waste, fraud and abuse. Not to mention that some of those others hold some opinions and promote some actions that border on a certain (nevertheless stylish) lunacy that does NOT help the country he serves. I notice that many posters from OTHER countries don't like Trump. But Trump isn't in office to pursue and promote THEIR interests. We all realize that, right? (Even if some resent it). The ordinary Republicans who support Trump are typically in no way extremists. They certainly aren't "racists" or "fascists" or "Nazis" or any of the other idiotic, hateful labels that many reflexively try to apply to them. Wanting NOT to grow bigger and bigger and bigger and more centralized government is not REMOTELY fascist. It's the OPPOSITE of autocracy. Fascist leaders lead ... a government. And typically want that government to become more and more powerful. That's the OPPOSITE of what I believe most Republicans want. And Trump has tried to CUT the size of some agncies. Typical Republicans are, I believe, TIRED of reading about (giggle) billions of dollars of fraud, waste or abuse being discovered under the very noses, so to speak, of those tasked with spending public funds wisely. If any don't know about that, or think it's just fantasy, perhaps they should review their favorite and constant sources of news to see if those sources are leaving them without knowledge of much that goes on in the world that is simply, for them, politically inconvenient. Did those same sources tell them that America's borders were "secure" even as more than ten million streamed across, many of whom were inadequately vetted and genuinely dangerous? And leaving a huge number of children unaccounted for? Did those same sources nod along with the notion that we were all recently seeing "the best Biden ever?" Or claiming that Trump said, in a speech, something that he EXPRESSLY REFUTED in that very same speech? Are those same sources trying to nod along with the idea that adequate self-identification is an impossible and unfair dream for adults, when voting? Why on earth would any serious person or politician pretend that it's okay to require ID to drink or rent an apartment or enter some Democrat fundraising events, but NOT okay to vote? Ponder that. Did those same sources ignore or excuse massive inflation under one administration, while exaggerating the effects of inflation under the current one? Oil prices have been worse BEFORE this administration, and for longer. Please don't just believe me -- check! Many Americans are being slowly indoctrinated to dislike their own institutions and think that somehow nations are obsolete. They should remember what happened in Rome. Or perhaps look across the pond to see what's going on in some parts of Europe, even as I type. Sometimes, fashionable positions are not very intelligent or foresightful.

Chesslayer12

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@Noflaps

And he has worked tirelessly

I did not read your entire paragraph but right out of your opening sentence I've found a problem. Since returning to his office, Trump has golfed about 22.5% of time time: https://didtrumpgolftoday.com/

In fact, he has spent over a hundred million dollars of our taxes for golfing.

@Noflaps > And he has worked tirelessly I did not read your entire paragraph but right out of your opening sentence I've found a problem. Since returning to his office, Trump has golfed about 22.5% of time time: https://didtrumpgolftoday.com/ In fact, he has spent over a hundred million dollars of our taxes for golfing.