@Noflaps said ^
This is what I wrote you an hour before your last post. As an snwer to you:
"Yes I have told you this before I think? Why do I need to repeat it?
Here we go: Iran has no way to build a nuclear bomb.
They're however enriching nuclear material in a useless pile to use as a bargaining chip. Because they are under sanctions so they thought they could get rid of the sancsions like this:
a) We make a useless pile of enriched Uranimum.
b)USA freaks out.
c) We offer to quit enriching Uranium in exchange for the removal of the sanction.
d) Yay, we got rid of the sanctions..
"
Did you read this? Do you just ignore answers?
@Noflaps said [^](/forum/redirect/post/aey7VDo3)
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This is what I wrote you an hour before your last post. As an snwer to you:
"Yes I have told you this before I think? Why do I need to repeat it?
Here we go: Iran has no way to build a nuclear bomb.
They're however enriching nuclear material in a useless pile to use as a bargaining chip. Because they are under sanctions so they thought they could get rid of the sancsions like this:
a) We make a useless pile of enriched Uranimum.
b)USA freaks out.
c) We offer to quit enriching Uranium in exchange for the removal of the sanction.
d) Yay, we got rid of the sanctions..
"
Did you read this? Do you just ignore answers?
"The cause of the fossil price increase under Biden was Russia-s invasion of Ukraine - not Biden's fault"
Let's assume it's that simple, for the sake of argument. My response is SO WHAT?
The point seems to be missed, entirely.
Gas prices aren't even all that high right now -- but some try to argue they're intolerable when compared to preventing a potential geopolitical adversary from massively enriching Uranium and building long range missiles? Seriously?
Good grief.
There's nothing "useless" about highly-enriched Uranium and long-range missiles, friend. Indeed, why not check to see if the United Nations, in the past, has any resolutions dealing with Iran's use of Uranium. Do you know?
Let's not be ostriches and stick head in sand. And emojis aren't coherent arguments.
"The cause of the fossil price increase under Biden was Russia-s invasion of Ukraine - not Biden's fault"
Let's assume it's that simple, for the sake of argument. My response is SO WHAT?
The point seems to be missed, entirely.
Gas prices aren't even all that high right now -- but some try to argue they're intolerable when compared to preventing a potential geopolitical adversary from massively enriching Uranium and building long range missiles? Seriously?
Good grief.
There's nothing "useless" about highly-enriched Uranium and long-range missiles, friend. Indeed, why not check to see if the United Nations, in the past, has any resolutions dealing with Iran's use of Uranium. Do you know?
Let's not be ostriches and stick head in sand. And emojis aren't coherent arguments.
"Iran has been highly-enriching Uranium"
- You keep repeating this utter nonsense again and again.
60% is not highly enriched, not even near weapons grade 90%.
408.6 kg UF6 is a small quantity.
Iran had agreed to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with all kinds of limitations and inspections.
Trump withdrew from it.
Then Iran did no longer feel bound by it either.
Then Trump attacked Iran's nuclear facilities on June 22, 2025.
Then Iran negotiated.
Then Trump attacked Iran on 28 February 2026.
Bombing school girls or bridges is not related to uranium enrichment.
"Iran has been highly-enriching Uranium"
* You keep repeating this utter nonsense again and again.
60% is not highly enriched, not even near weapons grade 90%.
408.6 kg UF6 is a small quantity.
Iran had agreed to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with all kinds of limitations and inspections.
Trump withdrew from it.
Then Iran did no longer feel bound by it either.
Then Trump attacked Iran's nuclear facilities on June 22, 2025.
Then Iran negotiated.
Then Trump attacked Iran on 28 February 2026.
Bombing school girls or bridges is not related to uranium enrichment.
It is NOT a small quantity.
And it's obviously a SIGNIFICANT quantity when a nation is willing to stay at war and lose armed forces to cling to it.
Would you give up an air force to preserve a popsicle?
It has been reported (don't believe me -- check for yourselves) that it is enough to create, with a bit more enrichment, more than one nuclear bomb. Indeed, one report said TEN nuclear bombs. But even if it's three .. even a single nuclear weapon can massively kill others. How many cities would we give up to keep gas prices a little lower?
And if it's so "unimportant" why not just surrender it, allow UN monitoring, and just get OUT of the business of enriching to such an extrent.
We keep trying to pretend that such heavy enrichment -- which doesn't seem AT ALL necessary for peaceful power generation -- is "no big deal." But that's NOT how Iran itself seems to be acting, is it?
It is NOT a small quantity.
And it's obviously a SIGNIFICANT quantity when a nation is willing to stay at war and lose armed forces to cling to it.
Would you give up an air force to preserve a popsicle?
It has been reported (don't believe me -- check for yourselves) that it is enough to create, with a bit more enrichment, more than one nuclear bomb. Indeed, one report said TEN nuclear bombs. But even if it's three .. even a single nuclear weapon can massively kill others. How many cities would we give up to keep gas prices a little lower?
And if it's so "unimportant" why not just surrender it, allow UN monitoring, and just get OUT of the business of enriching to such an extrent.
We keep trying to pretend that such heavy enrichment -- which doesn't seem AT ALL necessary for peaceful power generation -- is "no big deal." But that's NOT how Iran itself seems to be acting, is it?
@Noflaps
“Gas prices aren't even all that high right now”
This is up there with “Twitter is quite reliable” and “my friend is a secret agent, so The Rape of Nanking never happened” in terms of most absurd arguments in serious conversations that I’ve ever seen on this site
(Edit: paraphrased the Nanking one, but the twitter thing is a direct quote)
@Noflaps
“Gas prices aren't even all that high right now”
This is up there with “Twitter is quite reliable” and “my friend is a secret agent, so The Rape of Nanking never happened” in terms of most absurd arguments in serious conversations that I’ve ever seen on this site
(Edit: paraphrased the Nanking one, but the twitter thing is a direct quote)
Name calling ("absurd argument") is not the same as quoting actual numbers, @clousems.
Look at the average, inflation adjusted gasoline price in America for 2022, and the average price per barrel of crude oil for the same year.. Track how often and when oil has been above 100 dollars a barrel before. And then check the price right now.
I'm eager to see when you show your "conservatism." I hope I'm still here to see it.
Oh, and in case anybody gets confused, I never said that "the Rape of Nanking never happened." To the contrary, I made reference to the Rape of Nanking not long ago! And not at all in a way that suggests it's a myth.
And I don't use Twitter or X (whatever it's now called) -- and I NEVER HAVE. So, I hope I'm not being confused with somebody else. I've posted about Elon Musk's actions with Twitter, before -- in a thread that I did not start and did not title.
Musk made some reportedly significant, expression-promoting changes to it. But I'll have to rely on the reporting for what changes were made -- because I don't, myself, use it -- and never have.
Name calling ("absurd argument") is not the same as quoting actual numbers, @clousems.
Look at the average, inflation adjusted gasoline price in America for 2022, and the average price per barrel of crude oil for the same year.. Track how often and when oil has been above 100 dollars a barrel before. And then check the price right now.
I'm eager to see when you show your "conservatism." I hope I'm still here to see it.
Oh, and in case anybody gets confused, I never said that "the Rape of Nanking never happened." To the contrary, I made reference to the Rape of Nanking not long ago! And not at all in a way that suggests it's a myth.
And I don't use Twitter or X (whatever it's now called) -- and I NEVER HAVE. So, I hope I'm not being confused with somebody else. I've posted about Elon Musk's actions with Twitter, before -- in a thread that I did not start and did not title.
Musk made some reportedly significant, expression-promoting changes to it. But I'll have to rely on the reporting for what changes were made -- because I don't, myself, use it -- and never have.
Hey you all alright? I mean especially garlic? I ran out of popcorn but please keep yapping. Shoutout to noflaps though ;p
Hey you all alright? I mean especially garlic? I ran out of popcorn but please keep yapping. Shoutout to noflaps though ;p
@Noflaps said ^
"The cause of the fossil price increase under Biden was Russia-s invasion of Ukraine - not Biden's fault"
Let's assume it's that simple, for the sake of argument. My response is SO WHAT?
OK some more explanations:
Biden could not make the price of has go down..
Trump can make the price of gas and diesel go down.
So the answer to "so what" is the what is that Trump can save millions of people's livelihoods and prevent food from having huge price jumps, he just refuses for no reason.
Gas prices aren't even all that high right now -- but some try to argue they're intolerable when compared to preventing a potential geopolitical adversary from massively enriching Uranium and building long range missiles? Seriously?
Desel is THE HIGHEST IT'S EVER BEEN.
I repeat HIGEST EVER
One more time
HIGHEST EVER
GOT IT NOW?
And if it's so "unimportant" why not just surrender it, allow UN monitoring, and just get OUT of the business of enriching to such an extrent.
Iran offerened UN monitors acces literally a few days ago --- Trumo refused. The clip with his rambling response is still cirkulating on Threads.
Anyway nobody cares really. We just want Trump to stop the war and pack up and go home. Nobody is afraid of Iran's nukes, it won't happen.
I explained that to yiuTHREE TIMES but I am not sure if you even see the posts?
You can scroll up if you want to see it.
@Noflaps said [^](/forum/redirect/post/W0wVeHNf)
>"The cause of the fossil price increase under Biden was Russia-s invasion of Ukraine - not Biden's fault"
Let's assume it's that simple, for the sake of argument. My response is SO WHAT?
OK some more explanations:
Biden could not make the price of has go down..
Trump can make the price of gas and diesel go down.
So the answer to "so what" is the what is that Trump can save millions of people's livelihoods and prevent food from having huge price jumps, he just refuses for no reason.
>Gas prices aren't even all that high right now -- but some try to argue they're intolerable when compared to preventing a potential geopolitical adversary from massively enriching Uranium and building long range missiles? Seriously?
Desel is THE HIGHEST IT'S EVER BEEN.
I repeat HIGEST EVER
One more time
HIGHEST EVER
GOT IT NOW?
>And if it's so "unimportant" why not just surrender it, allow UN monitoring, and just get OUT of the business of enriching to such an extrent.
Iran offerened UN monitors acces literally a few days ago --- Trumo refused. The clip with his rambling response is still cirkulating on Threads.
Anyway nobody cares really. We just want Trump to stop the war and pack up and go home. Nobody is afraid of Iran's nukes, it won't happen.
I explained that to yiuTHREE TIMES but I am not sure if you even see the posts?
You can scroll up if you want to see it.
@Noflaps said ^
Name calling ("absurd argument") is not the same as quoting actual numbers, @clousems.
Look at the average, inflation adjusted gasoline price in America for 2022, and the average price per barrel of crude oil for the same year.. Track how often and when oil has been above 100 dollars a barrel before. And then check the price right now.
I have a questuon for you:
Are there more countries in the world than USA?
I told you before that 8 BILLION people were suffering.
So do you think then that
a) All those 8 Billlion live in the USA so we can just look at US numbers
b) most of them actually live outside of USA so the US numbers are actually not much use at all as they're just relevant for a tiny majority affected by Trumop's and Israels assaut on Iran
@Noflaps said [^](/forum/redirect/post/SWg8GHYq)
> Name calling ("absurd argument") is not the same as quoting actual numbers, @clousems.
>
> Look at the average, inflation adjusted gasoline price in America for 2022, and the average price per barrel of crude oil for the same year.. Track how often and when oil has been above 100 dollars a barrel before. And then check the price right now.
I have a questuon for you:
Are there more countries in the world than USA?
I told you before that 8 BILLION people were suffering.
So do you think then that
a) All those 8 Billlion live in the USA so we can just look at US numbers
b) most of them actually live outside of USA so the US numbers are actually not much use at all as they're just relevant for a tiny majority affected by Trumop's and Israels assaut on Iran
"when a nation is willing to stay at war"
- Iran wants no war, the USA and Israel want war.
Israel and the USA even attacked Iran while negotiations were ongoing.
"why not just surrender it, allow UN monitoring, and just get OUT of the business of enriching to such an extrent."
- Iran had accepted limitations and inspections under the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, but Trump withdrew from it.
"when a nation is willing to stay at war"
* Iran wants no war, the USA and Israel want war.
Israel and the USA even attacked Iran while negotiations were ongoing.
"why not just surrender it, allow UN monitoring, and just get OUT of the business of enriching to such an extrent."
* Iran had accepted limitations and inspections under the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, but Trump withdrew from it.