On the gleeful subversion of lichess ToS in the Off-Topic section (or: the clousems annual mod rant)

Ban evading is not okay, I agree. And when I can figure out what spam is, perhaps I'll go along with "hating on" (or whatever the current expression for that is) the reliably identified spam, too.

However, I am not yet ready to conclude that youthful exuberance, silliness, or incomprehensible trendiness is necessarily "spam."

So, if I see something that looks like any of that I'll just take a deep breath, skip it, and look for somebody's serious handwringing about politics to read. Although I often find THAT hard to take too seriously, also.

@LeSereinColosse said ^

What kind of asshole are you @clousems !!
I curse you

Seems like you are waiting for a reply but nobody is ragebaited.

(@)LeSereinColosse: 'you guyz can downvote me, idc' ~ If you did not care about peoples' thoughts towards your post, then you would not be posting in a public forum.

'there's a world called real life yk ig. Go and touch grass' ~ 'Touch grass' is the laziest insult that trolls use. If you are going to troll, then at least put an original spin on it.

(@)clousems: 'I can confirm that this subforum has been rough since before you joined.' ~ Places with these types of moderators are always toxic. There is this physical sports organization I loved: Football, swimming, volleyball, many others, and a cheap price. The organization was---supposedly---designed specifically for people who are psychologically vulnerable. There was a man attending football---Mark---who threw insults and temper tantrums at people again and again. Eventually, after Mark became physically violent towards one of the members and threatened me, they gave him a three month banishment. To my knowledge, they have not kicked him out, they have not done a police report, nor have they apologize to nor compensated the people whom they let Mark hurt.

I quit attending football after the violence incident. Eventually, after another sports team in the organization allowed a different member to yell at people, I quit the organization altogether.

The reason why I tell this story is to both rant and to emphasize a life-lesson: Certain people will always be toxic. With such people, punishment or banishment is necessary; there is no redemption for them. In life, you cannot fix everyone. My theory is that Lichess' moderators disagree, and that it is why they are too lenient (perhaps leniency is inherently bad). By allowing toxic behavior, Lichess are practically endorsing it.

Miscellaneous things:

A) The person---Purpose, as most of you will probably recognize them as---who keeps evading their ban as to post spammy trash in the forums. Since the user is abusing Lichess' resources, I am genuinely curious about if there is any grounds for legal action against them (not that Lichess would care enough to go through with it).

B) The, 'If you do not like it, then do not engage with it' argument is only good in one scenario: One's critique of the content is entirely subjective. Criticizing an action film for being an action film is illogical; calling out people for treating public places like their own home is logical.

To the people who use the public forums to casually chat with each other, imagine this: Random people from the streets invade your home and begin playing music, holding birthday parties, setting up their own stores, chatting about whatever they want, and overall treat your home like a public environment. That is what you are doing, but reversed.

C) Users who quote entire posts---especially long ones, and especially when it is just to add a short, low-effort reply---are making threads unreadable. For the thousandth time, Lichess should replace the, 'Quote' feature with post numbers.

D) There comes a point when there is just nothing that one can do to. If moderators keep ignoring and silencing criticism, then our best option might be migrating to other forums. As I love Lichess' forums, this hurts to state.

E) Things that should be considered spam: Junk mail; quoting things that others have written without adding anything to it ourselves; short, low-effort responses where an emoji would suffice; creating threads and posts that oneself has already created (and maybe including those that others have already created, too).

F) Before being called out by (@)greenteakitten, I was not aware of how much AI ruins the environment (humans already ruined it more than enough as it was). Banning AI use seems like the best option (maybe allow it for people who are bad at English).

@LeSereinColosse said

if there's a problem with moderation, just report it or move on. writing long posts and trying to manage how everyone should behave doesn't help fr.

The problem here, is that the moderation team hasn't given much response. And that is the main problem expressed by the OP.

You fvcking nerd.

Throwing around insults do not contribute to the discussion in any way, and only damage your distribution.

Having an old account doesn’t make your opinions automatically more important.

AFAICS, (@)clousems hasn't stated that. (Or if it is stated, it is probably as a joke/light-hearted post)

you have nothing to do with my old acc. What if I did it intentionally? More you have to tell

If your old account got banned (it doesn't matter if it is intentional), you cannot post on forums ever again, until you appeal and they allow you to do so. We obviously don't have to do anything with your old account, but it is everyone's duty here to abide by the TOS. The reason you got banned doesn't matter. If you create a new account after being banned, it is ban evasion unless Lichess explicitly allows you to create a new account

Haven't you get works to do other than thinking such fvcking stuff., and being a forum police?

AFAIK, you've posted 3000+ posts in your main account. You shouldn't be asking others to get a life TBH.

Go and touch grass other than finding gossips like X's alt, Y's alt, X's bans etc

There is no need to read gossips to understand that you're an alt, as you've stated it before right in this thread.

What kind of a**hole are you @clousems !! I curse you

Again swearing doesn't do anything meaningful. It isn't cool either. It just makes people see you as rude IMO.

TL,DR: I'm not 100% sure if you're an alt of kind_panda or anyone else. I just want to say that i) Ban Evasion isn't nice (if you're doing it, stop.) ii) Throwing insults isn't nice

Kid ! Do not eat the brocoli in your plate ! ;-)

@LeSereinColosse quoting two long posts just to put "k" or "ok" underneath. How lazy. This is also spammy because it covers up a lot of page space for no good reason.

@Cedur216 said ^

@LeSereinColosse quoting two long posts just to put "k" or "ok" underneath. How lazy. This is also spammy because it covers up a lot of page space for no good reason.

No, Diz iz what we want. Our kidz we wanna 2 b lazy ?!

@LeSereinColosse said ^

What kind of asshole are you @clousems !!
I curse you

Quoting this post to leave a trace before reporting it.

Nothing justifies such an insult.

waiting for it duh

Still waiting? I guess not.