Okay there‘s a lot to answer.
First of all @shadow1414 thanks for FINALLY giving a reasonable answer to shortsighted religious beliefs, in a whole other forum, this wasn’t provided...
Now to @O_olo_O
Additionally to what shadow already said:
The big bang theory was created by a christian priest so maybe think about who is really harmed by this theory being incorrect.
The big bangs point is to explain the expansion of the universe. The theory that it was the origin of everything and it‘s cause being the first thing that ever existed was only brought up some years later and is more than arguable.
Aside from that, I haven’t seen real scientific proof that everything has to have a cause or beginning, though what I actually believe about this would be too long for this forum so message me privately if you want to argue about that.
Okay there‘s a lot to answer.
First of all @shadow1414 thanks for FINALLY giving a reasonable answer to shortsighted religious beliefs, in a whole other forum, this wasn’t provided...
Now to @O_olo_O
Additionally to what shadow already said:
The big bang theory was created by a christian priest so maybe think about who is really harmed by this theory being incorrect.
The big bangs point is to explain the expansion of the universe. The theory that it was the origin of everything and it‘s cause being the first thing that ever existed was only brought up some years later and is more than arguable.
Aside from that, I haven’t seen real scientific proof that everything has to have a cause or beginning, though what I actually believe about this would be too long for this forum so message me privately if you want to argue about that.
Well, what Im kind of saying is, if a rock the size of the titanic appeared in a field, there would have to be a cause for it. It had to come from somewhere, and someone or something had to move or put it there. Because matter cant be created or destroyed.
Well, what Im kind of saying is, if a rock the size of the titanic appeared in a field, there would have to be a cause for it. It had to come from somewhere, and someone or something had to move or put it there. Because matter cant be created or destroyed.
@O_olo_O „Because matter cant be created or destroyed.“
Not once in my lifetime have I heard someone contradict themselves THAT bad.
Also in how far this is scientifically correct is arguable.
Also, I don‘t believe it „appeared“ (a god „appearing“ from nothing seems just as ironic by the way), I believe this all didn‘t have a „start“ as people imagine it.
@O_olo_O „Because matter cant be created or destroyed.“
Not once in my lifetime have I heard someone contradict themselves THAT bad.
Also in how far this is scientifically correct is arguable.
Also, I don‘t believe it „appeared“ (a god „appearing“ from nothing seems just as ironic by the way), I believe this all didn‘t have a „start“ as people imagine it.
"matter cant be created or destroyed"
- Matter can be created from energy.
Matter can be destroyed to yield energy.
"matter cant be created or destroyed"
* Matter can be created from energy.
Matter can be destroyed to yield energy.
@tpr said ^
Treaty was not only about borders, but also reparation payments, occupation of the Rheinland etc.
Reperations are, in general, absolutely normal requirement imposed on the country which waged an unjustified war.
@tpr said ^
When German people speaking German are all of a sudden Polish or Czech citizens, then that is not right either.
We took back areas which were ours previously. There is not symmetry here.
@tpr said ^
The USSR also invaded Poland from the east, as per the secret appendix to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
Yes, it did and after WW2 Poland became a satelite county of USSR only due to being traited by the West.
@tpr said [^](/forum/redirect/post/u0HKHRyR)
> Treaty was not only about borders, but also reparation payments, occupation of the Rheinland etc.
Reperations are, in general, absolutely normal requirement imposed on the country which waged an unjustified war.
@tpr said [^](/forum/redirect/post/u0HKHRyR)
> When German people speaking German are all of a sudden Polish or Czech citizens, then that is not right either.
We took back areas which were ours previously. There is not symmetry here.
@tpr said [^](/forum/redirect/post/u0HKHRyR)
> The USSR also invaded Poland from the east, as per the secret appendix to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
Yes, it did and after WW2 Poland became a satelite county of USSR only due to being traited by the West.
"Reperations are, in general, absolutely normal requirement imposed on the country which waged an unjustified war."
- Austria declared war on Serbia, Germany was drawn into WWI by a treaty with Austria.
Reparation payments and terrain cuts and other were too harsh, that made Hitler great, and caused WWII.
"We took back areas which were ours previously."
- And it backfired. areas populated by Germans and by Russians caused Germany and the USSR to attack Poland.
"after WW2 Poland became a satelite county of USSR only due to being traited by the West."
- Not only Poland, also Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Romania, even East-Germany.
Those are areas liberated by the Soviet army.
"Reperations are, in general, absolutely normal requirement imposed on the country which waged an unjustified war."
* Austria declared war on Serbia, Germany was drawn into WWI by a treaty with Austria.
Reparation payments and terrain cuts and other were too harsh, that made Hitler great, and caused WWII.
"We took back areas which were ours previously."
* And it backfired. areas populated by Germans and by Russians caused Germany and the USSR to attack Poland.
"after WW2 Poland became a satelite county of USSR only due to being traited by the West."
* Not only Poland, also Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Romania, even East-Germany.
Those are areas liberated by the Soviet army.
@tpr said ^
And it backfired. areas populated by Germans and by Russians caused Germany and the USSR to attack Poland.
The occupation of Poland in 1795-1918 was neither right, nor did it justified making a next one during WW2.
@tpr said [^](/forum/redirect/post/5a3GR4vf)
> And it backfired. areas populated by Germans and by Russians caused Germany and the USSR to attack Poland.
The occupation of Poland in 1795-1918 was neither right, nor did it justified making a next one during WW2.
"The occupation of Poland in 1795-1918"
- Too much of Poland (all of it) was taken away in 1818.
Too much was restored in 1919 (parts inhabited by Germans and Russians).
"The occupation of Poland in 1795-1918"
* Too much of Poland (all of it) was taken away in 1818.
Too much was restored in 1919 (parts inhabited by Germans and Russians).
@tpr said ^
"The occupation of Poland in 1795-1918"
- Too much of Poland (all of it) was taken away in 1818.
Too much was restored in 1919 (parts inhabited by Germans and Russians).
The only regretable thing here is that Poland did not take more area from Russia after the won war 1919-1920 to state
independent Ukraine and Belarus. But when it comes to area taken from Germany after WW1, I do not see anything
problematic. And living Germans and Russians on occupied Polish areas did not make the occupation just.
@tpr said [^](/forum/redirect/post/MAPx54fz)
> "The occupation of Poland in 1795-1918"
> * Too much of Poland (all of it) was taken away in 1818.
> Too much was restored in 1919 (parts inhabited by Germans and Russians).
The only regretable thing here is that Poland did not take more area from Russia after the won war 1919-1920 to state
independent Ukraine and Belarus. But when it comes to area taken from Germany after WW1, I do not see anything
problematic. And living Germans and Russians on occupied Polish areas did not make the occupation just.
" living Germans and Russians on occupied Polish areas did not make the occupation just"
- The question is not about just or unjust.
If Poland had not been given that much territory in 1919, e.g. only the present borders, then Germany and or the Soviet Union would not have had that much incentive to attack Poland. If only one had invaded Poland, then the Polish army might have resisted successfully, but an attack from both sides was to much.
" living Germans and Russians on occupied Polish areas did not make the occupation just"
* The question is not about just or unjust.
If Poland had not been given that much territory in 1919, e.g. only the present borders, then Germany and or the Soviet Union would not have had that much incentive to attack Poland. If only one had invaded Poland, then the Polish army might have resisted successfully, but an attack from both sides was to much.