if christian god existed, would he be a cruel god?

@thefrickouttaherelol said in #130:

I was talking about the length of eternal life in heaven vs the comparatively short time on Earth, so actually the opposite of what you just said. Earth's lifespan being only 6,000 years old would only further prove the extent of how much longer and more valuable eternal life in Heaven is vs the short time period on Earth.

That's assuming the 6,000 year old statement is correct. I know some Christians believe that. I'm a bit on the fence on that one.

Well it's been proven to be incorrect, and if you believe that you clearly aren't as logical of a thinker as you proclaim to be. Do some research.

@Scroto_Baggins said in #131:

Well it's been proven to be incorrect, and if you believe that you clearly aren't as logical of a thinker as you proclaim to be. Do some research.

Yes, I know what the scientific evidence says. That has nothing to do with matters of faith. Scientific proof does not equate to invalidating faith. That's why I said, "on the fence". If you asked me what science agrees the age of Earth and the universe was, I could give you the scientific answer of roughly 13 billion years for the universe and 4 billion years of the Earth perfectly fine.

What does any of that have to do with my previous comment clarifying the context of the years I had mentioned, though?

@thefrickouttaherelol said in #130:

I was talking about the length of eternal life in heaven vs the comparatively short time on Earth, so actually the opposite of what you just said. Earth's lifespan being only 6,000 years old would only further prove the extent of how much longer and more valuable eternal life in Heaven is vs the short time period on Earth.

That's assuming the 6,000 year old statement is correct. I know some Christians believe that. I'm a bit on the fence on that one.

You’re “on the fence” about something that’s verifiably false?

@thefrickouttaherelol said in #132:

Yes, I know what the scientific evidence says. That has nothing to do with matters of faith. Scientific proof does not equate to invalidating faith. That's why I said, "on the fence". If you asked me what science agrees the age of Earth and the universe was, I could give you the scientific answer of roughly 13 billion years for the universe and 4 billion years of the Earth perfectly fine.

What does any of that have to do with my previous comment clarifying the context of the years I had mentioned, though?

Matters of faith attempt to explain things that science can explain and they come up laughably short consistently. You can't say they have nothing to do with one another when they are giving completely different answers to the same questions.

I jumped into this conversation late and don't really want to read your nonsense answers from earlier.

Open your mind.

@Sleepy_Gary said in #133:

You’re “on the fence” about something that’s verifiably false?
Define verifiably. We can't go back in time. Scientific predictions match up with the idea of a much older universe, but because I also have faith, I can believe in the science and how accurately it predicts nature while also keeping my mind open to alternative solutions (ex: creationism).

I'm also on the fence about the Biblical interpretation. I don't know if the Bible 100% decrees that the Earth is only 6000 years old. "Years" from God's point of view could very well have been billions of years from our own.

@Scroto_Baggins said in #134:

Matters of faith attempt to explain things that science can explain and they come up laughably short consistently. You can't say they have nothing to do with one another when they are giving completely different answers to the same questions.

I jumped into this conversation late and don't really want to read your nonsense answers from earlier.
You had an issue with the long numbers of years I mentioned - presuming them to be about the Earth's age, rather than what I was trying to convey - the length of an eternal life vs earth's relatively short time span.

Over the span of infinity, any finite value will eventually trend to 0 in comparison.

Also, if you aren't interested in actually reading what I've written, this doesn't appear to be a conversation you're willing to have sincerely. I cannot respond furthermore if you have no interest in having a sincere conversation with me.

@thefrickouttaherelol said in #135:

Define verifiably. We can't go back in time. Scientific predictions match up with the idea of a much older universe, but because I also have faith, I can believe in the science and how accurately it predicts nature while also keeping my mind open to alternative solutions (ex: creationism).

I'm also on the fence about the Biblical interpretation. I don't know if the Bible 100% decrees that the Earth is only 6000 years old. "Years" from God's point of view could very well have been billions of years from our own.

Well if you count up the begats and the numbers of hundred years that each one lived following Adam and Eve and the moment God said, "Let there be light", it comes to about 6,000 years.

So, because you have faith, you can believe something that has been proven wrong and acknowledge that it is wrong and still believe it? There's no reasoning with someone who is capable of that level of self-delusion.

@thefrickouttaherelol said in #135:

Define verifiably. We can't go back in time. Scientific predictions match up with the idea of a much older universe, but because I also have faith, I can believe in the science and how accurately it predicts nature while also keeping my mind open to alternative solutions (ex: creationism).

I'm also on the fence about the Biblical interpretation. I don't know if the Bible 100% decrees that the Earth is only 6000 years old. "Years" from God's point of view could very well have been billions of years from our own.

And to your question about "define verifiably", here are just a few:

• Evolution (which is not, as you creationists think, a "Theory". It is a fact which is proven by fossil records)
• Ice core drills
• The expansion of the universe
• Carbon dating

The list goes on.

@Scroto_Baggins said in #137:

So, because you have faith, you can believe something that has been proven wrong and acknowledge that it is wrong and still believe it? There's no reasoning with someone who is capable of that level of self-delusion.
It's because proof by science is not the same as faith. Scientific proof and truth is not "ultimate truth", although it's the closest thing we as humans have devised on our own.

Oh, and you know... the entire field of geology.